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[quote name='lumberman2462' timestamp='1390567494' post='8522461']
A friend received a TaylorMade driver for Christmas that turned out to be fake...

Here's the amazing part....his wife purchased it from a big box national golf retailer - IN THE STORE.

He took it in to get a grip put on and the fitter/ tech told him it was fake. Wife produced the receipt showing it was purchased at the store and the salesman actually remembered her.....apparently caused a fit with management.
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Wow that is serious. If it wasn't a trade in there is something hugely wrong with that, and if it is there is still a big problem.

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easy to get a fake into the store , off the top of my head ....


buy real club in store , 3 days later go back and say your wife wont let you keep it (make up whatever excuse you want ) return the fake club in its place and get money back ...


now you have a real club and still have the money in your pocket ..(less whatever the fake cost )

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[quote name='KPH808' timestamp='1390588837' post='8524559']
It is scary how closely they resemble the real thing. But to be honest, both real and fake clubs are made in China but different factories correct? Obviously the ones made in the counterfeit factory don't have the same quality control and are just out there to pump as many counterfeits into the market.
And if they continue to manufacture the clubs in China, counterfeiting will not end.
[/quote] ICounterfeit manufacturing is not confined to China.
[/quote]

Again, if you read my other post I didn't say it was. I said China as an example b/c that is where the majority of counterfeit clubs are produced, a very large majority.

China is the #1 source for a lot of counterfeit products, not just golf equipment. Fake apple stores, fake luxury goods, the list goes on and on.
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...and on and on...

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This is happening in so many verticals these days. You can't imagine the problem a company like BEATS is having, as well as so many others. It's especially rampant when the actual product is sold in a box like headphones and other electronics are.

In the golf industry, returning a fake in place of one that was legit and purchased from an authorized retailer is not as easy as some have made it out to seem. Most every retailer has their own sku's and scans and labeling system. Removing those from a legit club and putting them on a fake in order to return the fake and pass it off as real is just not that simple. It should be obvious that the labels have been altered to some degree. If a retailer does, in fact, accept such a club back, they are foolish and deserve to be stuck with the fake merchandise. (I know, I know, if that happens and they resell the fake, someone else gets screwed.)

Actually, my company has developed new technology that helps significantly curb counterfeiting through a series of scans and authentications steps . While I can't go into it in detail, we are working with the OEM's, and this group, in hopes of getting this under control. It will also give the consumer more control in insuring authenticity within the resale market. Neat stuff for sure.

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[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391194270' post='8572684']
This is happening in so many verticals these days. You can't imagine the problem a company like BEATS is having, as well as so many others. It's especially rampant when the actual product is sold in a box like headphones and other electronics are.

In the golf industry, returning a fake in place of one that was legit and purchased from an authorized retailer is not as easy as some have made it out to seem. Most every retailer has their own sku's and scans and labeling system. Removing those from a legit club and putting them on a fake in order to return the fake and pass it off as real is just not that simple. It should be obvious that the labels have been altered to some degree. If a retailer does, in fact, accept such a club back, they are foolish and deserve to be stuck with the fake merchandise. (I know, I know, if that happens and they resell the fake, someone else gets screwed.)

Actually, my company has developed new technology that helps significantly curb counterfeiting through a series of scans and authentications steps . While I can't go into it in detail, we are working with the OEM's, and this group, in hopes of getting this under control. It will also give the consumer more control in insuring authenticity within the resale market. Neat stuff for sure.
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And not add more cost to be passed along to the consumer?

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[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391194270' post='8572684']
This is happening in so many verticals these days. You can't imagine the problem a company like BEATS is having, as well as so many others. It's especially rampant when the actual product is sold in a box like headphones and other electronics are.

In the golf industry, returning a fake in place of one that was legit and purchased from an authorized retailer is not as easy as some have made it out to seem. Most every retailer has their own sku's and scans and labeling system. Removing those from a legit club and putting them on a fake in order to return the fake and pass it off as real is just not that simple. It should be obvious that the labels have been altered to some degree. If a retailer does, in fact, accept such a club back, they are foolish and deserve to be stuck with the fake merchandise. (I know, I know, if that happens and they resell the fake, someone else gets screwed.)

Actually, my company has developed new technology that helps significantly curb counterfeiting through a series of scans and authentications steps . While I can't go into it in detail, we are working with the OEM's, and this group, in hopes of getting this under control. It will also give the consumer more control in insuring authenticity within the resale market. Neat stuff for sure.
[/quote]

And not add more cost to be passed along to the consumer?
[/quote]

When the industry throws numbers around like $6B that it's costing them, annually, due to counterfeiting, I would hope they would welcome a small charge to save even a fraction of those damages. That's a HUGE number and even a 20% dent in that overall figure makes a BIG impact.....in reality, it's a number greater than several of them annually gross, combined. I do know they've been at this for 6 or 7 years with little to no real solution.

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[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391198667' post='8573184']
[quote name='GoIrish17' timestamp='1391196082' post='8572880']
[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391194270' post='8572684']
This is happening in so many verticals these days. You can't imagine the problem a company like BEATS is having, as well as so many others. It's especially rampant when the actual product is sold in a box like headphones and other electronics are.

In the golf industry, returning a fake in place of one that was legit and purchased from an authorized retailer is not as easy as some have made it out to seem. Most every retailer has their own sku's and scans and labeling system. Removing those from a legit club and putting them on a fake in order to return the fake and pass it off as real is just not that simple. It should be obvious that the labels have been altered to some degree. If a retailer does, in fact, accept such a club back, they are foolish and deserve to be stuck with the fake merchandise. (I know, I know, if that happens and they resell the fake, someone else gets screwed.)

Actually, my company has developed new technology that helps significantly curb counterfeiting through a series of scans and authentications steps . While I can't go into it in detail, we are working with the OEM's, and this group, in hopes of getting this under control. It will also give the consumer more control in insuring authenticity within the resale market. Neat stuff for sure.
[/quote]

And not add more cost to be passed along to the consumer?
[/quote]

When the industry throws numbers around like $6B that it's costing them, annually, due to counterfeiting, I would hope they would welcome a small charge to save even a fraction of those damages. That's a HUGE number and even a 20% dent in that overall figure makes a BIG impact.....in reality, a number more than several of them annually gross, combined. I do know they've been at this for 6 or 7 years with little to no real solution.
[/quote]

I just hope they don't decide to pass the cost of their problem/ solution along to me.

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[quote name='GoIrish17' timestamp='1391200188' post='8573362']
[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391198667' post='8573184']
[quote name='GoIrish17' timestamp='1391196082' post='8572880']
[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391194270' post='8572684']
This is happening in so many verticals these days. You can't imagine the problem a company like BEATS is having, as well as so many others. It's especially rampant when the actual product is sold in a box like headphones and other electronics are.

In the golf industry, returning a fake in place of one that was legit and purchased from an authorized retailer is not as easy as some have made it out to seem. Most every retailer has their own sku's and scans and labeling system. Removing those from a legit club and putting them on a fake in order to return the fake and pass it off as real is just not that simple. It should be obvious that the labels have been altered to some degree. If a retailer does, in fact, accept such a club back, they are foolish and deserve to be stuck with the fake merchandise. (I know, I know, if that happens and they resell the fake, someone else gets screwed.)

Actually, my company has developed new technology that helps significantly curb counterfeiting through a series of scans and authentications steps . While I can't go into it in detail, we are working with the OEM's, and this group, in hopes of getting this under control. It will also give the consumer more control in insuring authenticity within the resale market. Neat stuff for sure.
[/quote]

And not add more cost to be passed along to the consumer?
[/quote]

When the industry throws numbers around like $6B that it's costing them, annually, due to counterfeiting, I would hope they would welcome a small charge to save even a fraction of those damages. That's a HUGE number and even a 20% dent in that overall figure makes a BIG impact.....in reality, a number more than several of them annually gross, combined. I do know they've been at this for 6 or 7 years with little to no real solution.
[/quote]

I just hope they don't decide to pass the cost of their problem/ solution along to me.
[/quote]


No kidding especially since they brought it all unto themselves in the first place by shipping jobs overseas.

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[quote name='lovedoctor' timestamp='1391995802' post='8632905']
I play fake mb 714 and love them. Paid $200 for them and the distance is on point.
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Now there's a post you won't see everyday.....and a first post at that.

Well done.

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I always use a magnet to test drivers for fakes. Most fakes are not titanium, and a magnet will find out a fake out in a heartbeat.

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[quote name='c7015' timestamp='1390928557' post='8551005']
easy to get a fake into the store , off the top of my head ....


buy real club in store , 3 days later go back and say your wife wont let you keep it (make up whatever excuse you want ) return the fake club in its place and get money back ...


now you have a real club and still have the money in your pocket ..(less whatever the fake cost )
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And then sell the real club and you have made quite a profit. Do it numerous times and you have a job.

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[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391198667' post='8573184']
When the industry throws numbers around like $6B that it's costing them, annually, due to counterfeiting, I would hope they would welcome a small charge to save even a fraction of those damages. That's a HUGE number...
[/quote]

That number is so huge, it's counterfeit! They pulled that number out of their trunk.

That's more than the entire U.S. market of all golf merchandise, including clothing.

bought out by private equity.

capitalization, grammar and reasoning slashed as a cost reduction.

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[quote name='Soloman1' timestamp='1392091344' post='8641897']
[quote name='Hifade' timestamp='1391198667' post='8573184']
When the industry throws numbers around like $6B that it's costing them, annually, due to counterfeiting, I would hope they would welcome a small charge to save even a fraction of those damages. That's a HUGE number...
[/quote]

That number is so huge, it's counterfeit! They pulled that number out of their trunk.

That's more than the entire U.S. market of all golf merchandise, including clothing.
[/quote]

Yeah. It's hard to see how they get to 6B. But a number that big will get attention in DC and the OEMs are always looking for the Gov't to crack down on [i]whatever[/i] - Customs/Anti-Piracy/Unfair Trade Practices.....

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