Did Hogan pull the handle?

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did he?
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  • SilkySilky Members  731WRX Points: 80Posts: 731 Golden Tee
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    Yes, but not by independent active arm/hand motion.



    In a whipping of a whip, does the mid section of a whip pull the end section of a whip?
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  • AlexCzervicAlexCzervic Members  728WRX Points: 90Posts: 728 Golden Tee
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    Yes, nearly everybody pulls the handle at the start. Some/most do it wrong differently, but that is another matter.



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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    I will say yes.
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  • eightironeightiron Banned  3136WRX Points: 0Posts: 3,136
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    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing
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  • hoganfan924hoganfan924 Members  5185WRX Points: 55Posts: 5,185 Titanium Tees
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    The club doesn't move itself. Your only connection to it is the "handle." Therefore, define "pull the handle"
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  • tylerdurdentylerdurden Members  1261WRX Points: 0Posts: 1,261
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    eightiron wrote:


    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing




    Please expand!! What do you mean he pulled it from the ground up?



    (btw, nice too see a little action in here)
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  • eightironeightiron Banned  3136WRX Points: 0Posts: 3,136
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    eightiron wrote:


    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing




    Please expand!! What do you mean he pulled it from the ground up?



    (btw, nice too see a little action in here)




    As the transition / change of direction begins the ground up starts from the left foot and the left and right sides separate when the pulling starts , muscles pull
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  • tylerdurdentylerdurden Members  1261WRX Points: 0Posts: 1,261
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    Awesome good stuff
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  • Coat JonesCoat Jones Banned  473WRX Points: 0Posts: 473
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    If Mr. Hogan, after transition, kept a 1:1 travel relationship between the depth and width dimension within the process, then there would be both pull and push.
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  • SilkySilky Members  731WRX Points: 80Posts: 731 Golden Tee
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    eightiron wrote:


    eightiron wrote:


    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing




    Please expand!! What do you mean he pulled it from the ground up?



    (btw, nice too see a little action in here)




    As the transition / change of direction begins the ground up starts from the left foot and the left and right sides separate when the pulling starts , muscles pull




    keith-witmer-crosshatch-sports-ben-hogan-back-swing.jpg



    This can be easily demonstrated, may I?. Put yourself into the fully coiled top of swing as the figure above. Now move the left knee toward the target and notice the sequential leveraging of movers upon movees from left knee to left hip to left shoulder to left arm and the club shaft.



    And now imaging the tremendous leveraging that occurs when Hogan moved the left hip back as the figure below.



    post-100036-12695535487701.jpg



    Common you guys. This is too elementary for the regulars in Hogan's Heroes Forum.

    Will someone please rekindle the forum with a more exciting topic.



    Apology to the OP Jobu. I appreciate your starting a thread and hopefully setting off the firecrackers.
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  • Coat JonesCoat Jones Banned  473WRX Points: 0Posts: 473
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    That's not the "top of swing", it's transition in progress.
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  • SilkySilky Members  731WRX Points: 80Posts: 731 Golden Tee
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    Coat Jones wrote:


    That's not the "top of swing", it's transition in progress.




    OK. I put some effort in finding a nice picture.

    Now, did Hogan have a "top of swing"? He seemed to be unwinding the lower body while the club still moving up in the back swing.
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  • lonestar48lonestar48 Members  189WRX Points: 0Posts: 189
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    I believe he only "pulled the handle" to the extent that it timed up with his lower body action, which is clearly the engine of his swing. To me, his lower body/rotation action (on full swings) is always very consistent and powerful, regardless of his age. I believe he figured this out very early.



    I believe he then set about discovering his "secret", which was a way to set the club at the top so that he could "pull" almost as hard as he turned/rotated. Remember, when describing his secret, he said that "no matter how much wrist I put into it, the clubface couldn't close fast enough" to hook (or something very similar to that). That statement implies that he was pulling, or at least had that feel.



    Here's a great look. I could watch this forever:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wpyAXvIDYw
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  • Coat JonesCoat Jones Banned  473WRX Points: 0Posts: 473
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    Silky wrote:

    Coat Jones wrote:


    That's not the "top of swing", it's transition in progress.




    OK. I put some effort in finding a nice picture.

    Now, did Hogan have a "top of swing"? He seemed to be unwinding the lower body while the club still moving up in the back swing.




    No, one continuous motion throughout- no top, no stop.
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    eightiron wrote:


    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing




    The right arm has the ability to supply a force perpendicular to the shaft(PUSH) right from the top.



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  • eightironeightiron Banned  3136WRX Points: 0Posts: 3,136
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    eightiron wrote:


    Yes he pulled the handle from the ground up . All this pulled the handle babble is made up to baffle the sheep into thinking the guru knows something new about the golf swing




    The right arm has the ability to supply a force perpendicular to the shaft(PUSH) right from the top.



    AC




    For sure , but the right elbow is increasing in flexion at that point so it ain't happening for hogan
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  • AlexCzervicAlexCzervic Members  728WRX Points: 90Posts: 728 Golden Tee
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    Yes, nearly everybody pulls the handle at the start. Some/most do it wrong differently, but that is another matter.



    AC




    The point is that pulling the handle is not babble because there are alternatives.



    Cheerios



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