TeeAce swing

[ej002]

[quote name='Cartrydge ' timestamp='1351858970' post='5881551']
This maybe the nicest I've seen anyone on this forum comment on someone's swing. I'm not seeing any Hogan in that swing. I guess I was expecting more from someone who has devoted most of their life to swing like Hogan. Seems alot of these guys who break down and talk about positions can't pull them off either.
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It b/c his antogonists are in the penalty box serving time... lol.

[tembolo1284]

ej you cracked me up with that. Nice one.

[TeeAce]

Teeace, what are your thoughts on your left leg position there at impact from your image above?

 

Do you like that it's bent or do you want it to be straighter? What do you feel is happening because your legs aren't as strong as you want them to be?

 

I love how the room is so GREEEEEEEEEN! hehe.

 

It should be straightening more and pushing up and away from the target. Just cant do it for the moment. As you see my upper body is quite heavy ;D

 

And not for you Tembole, but for some others:

 

I dont know how many times I have to say this to get it understood, but here it is once more:

 

I don't have Hogans swing. I have never tried to get it. I haven't practiced at all in last 7/8 years, just playing if I got time.

 

I don't even teach Hogans swing for 90% of people, but some important parts of that. It would be total disaster for most of the players who don't have his physical ability and that ROM in joints he had. The age is not an explanation as he had naturally big ROM all his life there.

 

My ROM of shoulder joint has been reduced to about 30% of that and I have to live with that. It doesn't prevent me to play rounds like this whatever you see on video

 

 

And yes couple of bogies and one birdie missing from the card as a software problem, but enough red for me.

 

All this doesn't make it impossible to understand totally what happened in Hogans swing and how his club and hands were acting. There is so much good still photos about it where you can see it clearly and those parts are big cornerstone in my teaching. How to use the right hand and arm to prevent face closing and still be able to use all the power you can. And if you would see my Pro students hitting balls with that method, you would totally understand how it works when right elbow stays in and the face is all the time rotated to open relative to the path. As long as they can get it done, you cant say if the ball turns one meter to the right or left even with the driver.

[MizunoJoe]

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[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1351856207' post='5881459']
Teeace, what are your thoughts on your left leg position there at impact from your image above?

Do you like that it's bent or do you want it to be straighter? What do you feel is happening because your legs aren't as strong as you want them to be?

I love how the room is so GREEEEEEEEEN! hehe.
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It should be straightening more and pushing up and away from the target. Just cant do it for the moment. As you see my upper body is quite heavy ;D

And not for you Tembole, but for some others:

I dont know how many times I have to say this to get it understood, but here it is once more:

I don't have Hogans swing. I have never tried to get it. I haven't practiced at all in last 7/8 years, just playing if I got time.

I don't even teach Hogans swing for 90% of people, but some important parts of that. It would be total disaster for most of the players who don't have his physical ability and that ROM in joints he had. The age is not an explanation as he had naturally big ROM all his life there.

All this doesn't make it impossible to understand totally what happened in Hogans swing and how his club and hands were acting. There is so much good still photos about it where you can see it clearly and those parts are big cornerstone in my teaching. How to use the right hand and arm to prevent face closing and still be able to use all the power you can. And if you would see my Pro students hitting balls with that method, you would totally understand how it works when right elbow stays in and the face is all the time rotated to open relative to the path. As long as they can get it done, you cant say if the ball turns one meter to the right or left even with the driver.
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T - In past postings you said that you tried to do what you think Hogan does, but just couldn't do it and that most pros you teach can't do it. My point is, that is proof that Hogan isn't doing what you think because an old Hogan could still do it and his ROM is clearly compromised in that video I posted above. What you describe is a hold off cut, and this video clearly shows from :24 through :34, the right hand turning over through the shot at least on this driver swing, which may be a draw swing. Are you saying that for a cut driver swing he is doing something fundamentally different than just not turning the right hand over?

[TeeAce]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1351967929' post='5886861']

T - In past postings you said that you tried to do what you think Hogan does, but just couldn't do it and that most pros you teach can't do it. My point is, that is proof that Hogan isn't doing what you think because an old Hogan could still do it and his ROM is clearly compromised in that video I posted above. What you describe is a hold off cut, and this video clearly shows from :24 through :34, the right hand turning over through the shot at least on this driver swing, which may be a draw swing. Are you saying that for a cut driver swing he is doing something fundamentally different than just not turning the right hand over?
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Not really like that. You know I have analyzed many pros also with who I don't work with and many of them try to do similar things but cant manage. I'm still talking with those guys and they wonder why they cant get it and I thin quite often I know the reason. Wrong kind of physical training.

And old Hogan still got much bigger ROM in right shoulder that I've had last year. Much bigger however old he was. For more than one year I couldn't get to those positions without big pain so I avoided that. But from that video with that frame rate... there is noting one can really see. Just same conclusions that lead us wrong way more than 50 years

[TeeAce]

Right shoulder feels much better now and was able to even hit some balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o76r1L5W4M

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1351967929' post='5886861']

T - In past postings you said that you tried to do what you think Hogan does, but just couldn't do it and that most pros you teach can't do it. My point is, that is proof that Hogan isn't doing what you think because an old Hogan could still do it and his ROM is clearly compromised in that video I posted above. What you describe is a hold off cut, and this video clearly shows from :24 through :34, the right hand turning over through the shot at least on this driver swing, which may be a draw swing. Are you saying that for a cut driver swing he is doing something fundamentally different than just not turning the right hand over?
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Forgot to add the video in the original post. See how the bent right wrist rolls over through impact? That's clearly opposed to what you're saying T!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4DCZuAj5Mg

[tembolo1284]

*gasp* he's a roller/flinger?

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1352134666' post='5893933']
*gasp* he's a roller/flinger?
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Relax - the answer is yes/no.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1352138952' post='5894297']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1352134666' post='5893933']
*gasp* he's a roller/flinger?
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Relax - the answer is yes/no.
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Thanks to your answer I can relax again.

[TeeAce]

 

 

Forgot to add the video in the original post. See how the bent right wrist rolls over through impact? That's clearly opposed to what you're saying T!

 

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Rolling over?

 

 

Nope. Right hand stays under and right elbow in and elbow pocket pointing out and up. What happens after that in FT is not interesting because forces at the club makes it happen. This is the last moments when player still can resist them and that also needs well timed pivot.

 

About my teaching I haven't said a lot, so no meaning to talk about that. But this thing is one of those I want to see from those students who I believe are able to achieve it.

[MizunoJoe]

 

 

Forgot to add the video in the original post. See how the bent right wrist rolls over through impact? That's clearly opposed to what you're saying T!

 

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Rolling over?

 

 

Nope. Right hand stays under and right elbow in and elbow pocket pointing out and up. What happens after that in FT is not interesting because forces at the club makes it happen. This is the last moments when player still can resist them and that also needs well timed pivot.

 

About my teaching I haven't said a lot, so no meaning to talk about that. But this thing is one of those I want to see from those students who I believe are able to achieve it.

 

T - the top of his right hand is becoming progressively more horizontal in those 3 frames, which are well before impact, and it's not just from core rotation, but wrist action also - macro movement plus micro movement. Why isolate frames when you have the slo-mo video through impact, which clearly shows what is happening? Look at the entire video through the impact interval - his bent right wrist makes a half roll to impact and continues rolling through impact. And look at the driver face - it's TGM Horizontal Hinging, which requires wrist roll. In order to hit a fade, all he has to do is simply not roll, which gives TGM Angled Hinging.

[TeeAce]

Forgot to add the video in the original post. See how the bent right wrist rolls over through impact? That's clearly opposed to what you're saying T!

 

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Rolling over?

 

 

Nope. Right hand stays under and right elbow in and elbow pocket pointing out and up. What happens after that in FT is not interesting because forces at the club makes it happen. This is the last moments when player still can resist them and that also needs well timed pivot.

 

About my teaching I haven't said a lot, so no meaning to talk about that. But this thing is one of those I want to see from those students who I believe are able to achieve it.

 

T - the top of his right hand is becoming progressively more horizontal in those 3 frames, which are well before impact, and it's not just from core rotation, but wrist action also - macro movement plus micro movement. Why isolate frames when you have the slo-mo video through impact, which clearly shows what is happening? Look at the entire video through the impact interval - his bent right wrist makes a half roll to impact and continues rolling through impact. And look at the driver face - it's TGM Horizontal Hinging, which requires wrist roll. In order to hit a fade, all he has to do is simply not roll, which gives TGM Angled Hinging.

 

Because our mind sees from video what it wants to see and also expect something, forwards and backwards. That's why I made those 3 frames to show how the right hand stays under and behind the shaft until impact. What happens after that moment is combination of deceleration of the inner circle to balance the move and inertia of the club that makes hands roll. Action can be seen in these 3 images. When you find it, you realize what I'm talking about.

[tembolo1284]

Forgot to add the video in the original post. See how the bent right wrist rolls over through impact? That's clearly opposed to what you're saying T!

 

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Rolling over?

 

 

Nope. Right hand stays under and right elbow in and elbow pocket pointing out and up. What happens after that in FT is not interesting because forces at the club makes it happen. This is the last moments when player still can resist them and that also needs well timed pivot.

 

About my teaching I haven't said a lot, so no meaning to talk about that. But this thing is one of those I want to see from those students who I believe are able to achieve it.

 

T - the top of his right hand is becoming progressively more horizontal in those 3 frames, which are well before impact, and it's not just from core rotation, but wrist action also - macro movement plus micro movement. Why isolate frames when you have the slo-mo video through impact, which clearly shows what is happening? Look at the entire video through the impact interval - his bent right wrist makes a half roll to impact and continues rolling through impact. And look at the driver face - it's TGM Horizontal Hinging, which requires wrist roll. In order to hit a fade, all he has to do is simply not roll, which gives TGM Angled Hinging.

 

Because our mind sees from video what it wants to see and also expect something, forwards and backwards. That's why I made those 3 frames to show how the right hand stays under and behind the shaft until impact. What happens after that moment is combination of deceleration of the inner circle to balance the move and inertia of the club that makes hands roll. Action can be seen in these 3 images. When you find it, you realize what I'm talking about.

 

I can't find it :(

[TeeAce]

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I can't find it
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I need to come there and show it to you

Maybe next winter...

[tembolo1284]

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[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1352231936' post='5899807']
I can't find it
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I need to come there and show it to you

Maybe next winter...
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[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1352232018' post='5899815']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1352231936' post='5899807']
I can't find it
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I need to come there and show it to you

Maybe next winter...
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Bah! Ok I wait.

[PingG10guy]

you mean he isn't opening the triangle? Still can't find it

[PingG10guy]

Oh wait...his right elbow is a hinge and he's slamming the door without really turning