Tiger scoring? How

sandy · November 5, 2005

I noticed today that Tiger shot a 67 to keep himself in the hunt. What is a amazing is his stats. He barely hit 36 % of the fairways, his distance wasn't as high as yesterday, he only hit 57% of the GIR, and his putting was only 1 stroke better than yesterday. Yet he comes out of it with 5 birdies and 2 bogeys. Totally amazing how he does it. I guess the old 1 plane swing to keep him "straighter" just isn't hacking it. My gosh yesterday he hit 21 % of the fairways. Dead last in accuracy and 18th in GIR (29 players). But he is tied for 1st in putting.

easyyy · November 5, 2005

I noticed today that Tiger shot a 67 to keep himself in the hunt. What is a amazing is his stats. He barely hit 36 % of the fairways, his distance wasn't as high as yesterday, he only hit 57% of the GIR, and his putting was only 1 stroke better than yesterday. Yet he comes out of it with 5 birdies and 2 bogeys. Totally amazing how he does it. I guess the old 1 plane swing to keep him "straighter" just isn't hacking it. My gosh yesterday he hit 21 % of the fairways. Dead last in accuracy and 18th in GIR (29 players). But he is tied for 1st in putting.
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He is amazing. If he could work out the Driver issues he would have it easy. 21% of fairways makes for a stressfull day.

slicefixer · November 5, 2005

"I guess the old 1 plane swing to keep him "straighter" just isn't hacking it. "

NOT his backswing so much as his "throughswing"......WAAAAAAAY to down the line and "armsy".........body rotating left and the arms working away from his body down the line.......TERRIBLE.......blocks/hooks......he's not quite as bad with the irons as he's more on top of an iron shot, but, his driver swing is simply awful through impact and into the finish......

canadian_mike · November 5, 2005

i take it ur a teaching pro and that would be able to help tiger straighten out his driver. bc i think he plays better when he misses the fairway.they should a stat trhough 27 holes or something. he was -5 when he missed the fairway and he missed 18 of them and he was -3 when he hit the fairway and that wasonly 9 times. i think tiger should keep playing the same way. its not about accuracy nemore. when he needs to hit the fairway, he does.

AFcelica · November 5, 2005

most of the times he still hits great iron shots. it seems like the driver is his nemesis. he is still one of the best iron players that ever lived, and when his putting is on it almost doesn't matter how bad he hits it off the tee as long as he still has a reasonable shot at the green.

slicefixer · November 5, 2005

i take it ur a teaching pro and that would be able to help tiger straighten out his driver. bc i think he plays better when he misses the fairway.they should a stat trhough 27 holes or something. he was -5 when he missed the fairway and he missed 18 of them and he was -3 when he hit the fairway and that wasonly 9 times. i think tiger should keep playing the same way. its not about accuracy nemore. when he needs to hit the fairway, he does.
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Might not "be about accuracy" at the "normal" tour stops anymore.......and thats a travesty IMOP.......but tell that to the USGA or the R&A when the Open is @ Muirfield/Royal St. Georges/Birkdale, etc.

Tigers the "best" because like a VERY few players in golf history (Jones, Hogan, Nicklaus) he has the whole list of "mental" intangibles.....guts, heart, passion, internal drive/discipline, ability to think/perform under intense pressure, etc. etc. etc........

However, IF he doesn't get his driver/long clubs under control its eventually going to REALLY hurt his ability to play major championship golf.....with the exception of certain venues.......You CANNOT continue to drive the ball all over the planet in several directions and expect to contend on US or British Open courses on a year to year basis......NOT going to happen......

Its my understanding that he/Haney are going to work this whole offseason to get him back to hitting a controlled "fade" off of the tee........which is what he did when he was SO dominate.......trying to hit draws from too much from the inside is what is killing his long game.....and yes, I am a teaching professional, but this "problem" Tiger has is VERY WELL known amongst any number of outstanding golf teachers.......all it takes some video footage and some knowledge and his swing "errors" stick out like the proverbial "sore" thumb.......

sandy · November 6, 2005

i take it ur a teaching pro and that would be able to help tiger straighten out his driver. bc i think he plays better when he misses the fairway.they should a stat trhough 27 holes or something. he was -5 when he missed the fairway and he missed 18 of them and he was -3 when he hit the fairway and that wasonly 9 times. i think tiger should keep playing the same way. its not about accuracy nemore. when he needs to hit the fairway, he does.
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Might not "be about accuracy" at the "normal" tour stops anymore.......and thats a travesty IMOP.......but tell that to the USGA or the R&A when the Open is @ Muirfield/Royal St. Georges/Birkdale, etc.

Tigers the "best" because like a VERY players in golf history (Jones, Hogan, Nicklaus) he has the whole list of "mental" intangibles.....guts, heart, passion, internal drive/discipline, ability to think/perform under intense pressure, etc. etc. etc........

However, IF he doesn't get his driver/long clubs under control its eventually going to REALLY hurt his ability to play major championship golf.....with the exception of certain venues.......You CANNOT continue to drive the ball all over the planet in several directions and expect to contend on US or British Open courses on a year to year basis......NOT going to happen......

Its my understanding that he/Haney are going to work this whole offseason to get him back to hitting a controlled "fade" off of the tee........which is what he did when he was SO dominate.......trying to hit draws from too much from the inside is what is killing his long game.....and yes, I am a teaching professional, but this "problem" Tiger has is VERY WELL known amongst any number of outstanding golf teachers.......all it takes some video footage and some knowledge and his swing "errors" stick out like the proverbial "sore" thumb.......
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Interesting that if it is so obvious that Hank doesn't fix it. HMMMMMM.

Looks like 80% fairways, 80% GIR, and 3rd in putting wins every time over 378 yard drives.

slicefixer · November 6, 2005

Trust me.....ole' Hank hasn't much of a "clue"......

All I KNOW is this, supposedly he's convinced Tiger that he's on the same track as Hogan and Moe Norman.....TOTAL "control" of the golf ball.....the things Norman and Hogan had in common sure as hell isn't that mess you see him contorting about after another wayward shot.......he's NOT even close to the things Hogan/Norman had in common ...

However, he's enormously talented and driven enough to beat most of the guy's standing on one leg and playing crosshanded, but, the stuff he's workin' on now is beyond description.......body parts working in several different directions at once.......damn shame that Tiger won't listen to somebody like McClean, Leadbetter, etc.......IMOP

mlamar · November 6, 2005

Quote (from Tiger) ... "Because he hits it so long, it's impossible to keep it in the fairway"

If he was to pull back on the throttle a little and play for more control, he'll definitely be unbeatable ... Still the best Iron Game in the Business ...

I was at the Tour Champ. on Saturday and had a chance to see him on the range and I must tell you ... "HE HAS ALL THE SHOTS !!!"

Unlike most golfers warming up ... He used maybe a 5I/6I and was hitting it HIGH/LOW ... LONG/SHORT ... FADE/DRAW ... and he was controlling the distance like WHOA !!! Truely AMAZING !!!

slicefixer · November 6, 2005

I watched him @ Pinehurst on the range (HUGE difference from tournament competition) and he hit "everything".....any shot he wanted.......solid......but, he's hit it solid since he was 13 years old with about 4 different swings......gonna' be hard for him to not hit at least 3 or 4 VERY loose shots every single tournament, especially drivers......and thats when his timing is "on"......when its not he's going to hit 3 or 4 drives per DAY that NASA can't track......

You must understand, when you have the kind of incredible rotational body speed that Tiger is blessed with and your arms are working away from your body in the downswing/throughswing, VERY errant shots are going to occur under extreme pressure.....too much "timing" involved to be consistent on a day to day basis.....one second he'll hit a shot that is soooooo good its scary.......5 minutes later hit one thats sooooo bad its scary......proof's in the shotlink data.......he's not only missing fairways, but, he's missing them by miles on occasion.........great ballstrikers don't miss shots in this pattern.......period......

Now, he's perhaps the most physically talented in player in golf history.....perhaps the best putter in golf history.......perhaps the best "scrambler" in golf history........NEVER been a golfer that was more "mentally tough".....absolutely "fearless"........those qualities are what allows him to play so well......."score" so well.......but his ballstriking leaves a lot to be desired.......however, you don't have to be the best ballstriker to be the best "player".......Nicklaus was an average (at best) short iron player......average chipper/bunker player/pitcher (at best).......but he's the standard by whom ALL are measured.......and Tiger has, at least up this point, set a standard that is substantially above Nicklaus........longevity is all thats left.......