Exaggeration drills - when to transition from a focus to a spot fix?

[getitdaily]

I work on 1 change at a time. I'll work on that change for as long as it takes to see yhe intended change be visible in my swing. 

 

Once an exaggeration drill is ingrained, visibly in the swing, is it time to stop doing the exaggeration drill as a focal point and just do it if the old bad move creeps in again?

 

Once change is ingrained, an exaggeration drill can then become detrimental if overused...right?

[iacas]

Some changes are never ingrained. Players revert to their old tendencies all the time.

 

You've asked a question with about as many answers as there are players and/or specific "things" that they work on in their swings.

[getitdaily]

16 minutes ago, iacas said:

Some changes are never ingrained. Players revert to their old tendencies all the time.

 

You've asked a question with about as many answers as there are players and/or specific "things" that they work on in their swings.

Maybe I was ambiguous...let me ask it this way...

 

The flaw that the exaggeration move intended to fix is ingrained (meaning I can swing away over and over and the flaw is gone). That exaggeration move can start to produce unintended results (a new flaw). 

 

So, once the fix is ingrained, does the exaggeration move shift to a spot check dril rather than a repetitious drill done in every practice session? 

[iacas]

27 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

The flaw that the exaggeration move intended to fix is ingrained

 

The problem wasn't that you're ambiguous, the problem is that all too often things don't ever really get "ingrained." Major winners fall back into old habits and constantly work to keep them in a good place.

 

27 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

So, once the fix is ingrained, does the exaggeration move shift to a spot check dril rather than a repetitious drill done in every practice session? 

 

Like I said before, there are as many answers for that as there are golfers and flaws. Some will revert more easily than others. Some will take that "exaggeration" and make it their pre-shot waggle for the rest of their lives. Etc.

 

There's no real solid answer, IMO, to your question.

[596]

You have to be careful with any change with an over exaggeration.  It does work though. I do it all the time. The problem becomes when the flaw is first fixed it feels weird and then you know you are making a change.  Over some time, and it varies by person, that weird feeling goes away but you still swing to make it feel weird and all of a sudden you've now gone too far to maintain that weird feeling. Hope I explained that correctly. The same thing can happen with over exaggeration.  IE - an over swing. You shorten the swing by 5% and it feels weird.  After a bit that 5% doesn't feel weird anymore but you keep trying to keep the weird feeling and all of a sudden your swing is 10% short. 

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, 596 said:

You have to be careful with any change with an over exaggeration.  It does work though. I do it all the time. The problem becomes when the flaw is first fixed it feels weird and then you know you are making a change.  Over some time, and it varies by person, that weird feeling goes away but you still swing to make it feel weird and all of a sudden you've now gone too far to maintain that weird feeling. Hope I explained that correctly. The same thing can happen with over exaggeration.  IE - an over swing. You shorten the swing by 5% and it feels weird.  After a bit that 5% doesn't feel weird anymore but you keep trying to keep the weird feeling and all of a sudden your swing is 10% short. 

Yeah, I get what iacas is saying but at the same time there is a point where an over exaggeration starts to be detrimental...diminishing returns. I think I know the answer and I planned to stop doing a certain drill as a default repetitive drill and just have it as a tool if I see my old flaw creeping in.

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Maybe I was ambiguous...let me ask it this way...

 

The flaw that the exaggeration move intended to fix is ingrained (meaning I can swing away over and over and the flaw is gone). That exaggeration move can start to produce unintended results (a new flaw). 

 

So, once the fix is ingrained, does the exaggeration move shift to a spot check dril rather than a repetitious drill done in every practice session? 

You may still need to do the exaggeration drill for quite sometime, but frequency of it may drop. It’s all about when it goes from a closed loop

to open loop motor control. Initlally you have to do exaggeration and slow movements to train the new movement pattern, once it becomes a natural movement then the chances of having to do the exaggeration are gone and in some cases may make things worse because the body understand the movement already and may not be sure what you are trying to do and it throws the feel off. Let’s take rose for an example. He had been working on the same move for 11 years