Ben Hogan Post Accident Swing

Schleeman · February 29, 2008

When you do look at Mr. Hogan he doesn't throw with the right arm but he doest pull down either. I think Hardy is talking about a feeling when it comes to the throwing comments because if I make a CORRECT one plane back swing like Mr. Hogan the right elbow should not pull down. Actually Mr. Hogans arms and club are still going back when his shoulders and chest start to turn from the top. This would not let the club drop to far to the inside. The only thing that you then have to do from here then is keep your spine angle and your upper left arm tight to your chest till just after impact. If you do this the club should move low and left around your body towards your front left pocket. There is no manipulation of the club....IMOP..... :)

Remember gentlemen, when Hogan initiated his backswing, he would twist his hands as he rolled the face of the club. "I rolled the face of the club open away from the ball. That cupped my left wrist." If he didn't, the wrinkles wouldn't appear in the back of his left hand. "Training myself, I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could. With this technique, I could hit the ball straight and farther."

I agree there is no pull down on the downswing, but his right elbow would move down slightly as a reaction to releasing the cup in the back of the left wrist. This release is a natural supple release. One can not do it if one's hands and wrists are tight and tense. Almost like a wrist coil going back and an uncoil on the way down. This movement did bring his right elbow on or in front of his right hip.

By the way slice, Hogan was also talking about the left arm on the way down. He liked to rotate it on the way back and then on the way down."My left arm swung right across my chest on the backswing, and was the strongest part of my downswing"

Tom Bertrand

mizuno67 · February 29, 2008

When you do look at Mr. Hogan he doesn't throw with the right arm but he doest pull down either. I think Hardy is talking about a feeling when it comes to the throwing comments because if I make a CORRECT one plane back swing like Mr. Hogan the right elbow should not pull down. Actually Mr. Hogans arms and club are still going back when his shoulders and chest start to turn from the top. This would not let the club drop to far to the inside. The only thing that you then have to do from here then is keep your spine angle and your upper left arm tight to your chest till just after impact. If you do this the club should move low and left around your body towards your front left pocket. There is no manipulation of the club....IMOP..... :)
Remember gentlemen, when Hogan initiated his backswing, he would twist his hands as he rolled the face of the club. "I rolled the face of the club open away from the ball. That cupped my left wrist." If he didn't, the wrinkles wouldn't appear in the back of his left hand. "Training myself, I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could. With this technique, I could hit the ball straight and farther."
I agree there is no pull down on the downswing, but his right elbow would move down slightly as a reaction to releasing the cup in the back of the left wrist. This release is a natural supple release. One can not do it if one's hands and wrists are tight and tense. Almost like a wrist coil going back and an uncoil on the way down. This movement did bring his right elbow on or in front of his right hip.

By the way slice, Hogan was also talking about the left arm on the way down. He liked to rotate it on the way back and then on the way down."My left arm swung right across my chest on the backswing, and was the strongest part of my downswing"

Tom Bertrand

so what are you saying in relation to the arm plane being "over" on the way down ? it is ? what actually causes this? or it isn't

bheck23 · February 29, 2008

When you do look at Mr. Hogan he doesn't throw with the right arm but he doest pull down either. I think Hardy is talking about a feeling when it comes to the throwing comments because if I make a CORRECT one plane back swing like Mr. Hogan the right elbow should not pull down. Actually Mr. Hogans arms and club are still going back when his shoulders and chest start to turn from the top. This would not let the club drop to far to the inside. The only thing that you then have to do from here then is keep your spine angle and your upper left arm tight to your chest till just after impact. If you do this the club should move low and left around your body towards your front left pocket. There is no manipulation of the club....IMOP..... :)
Remember gentlemen, when Hogan initiated his backswing, he would twist his hands as he rolled the face of the club. "I rolled the face of the club open away from the ball. That cupped my left wrist." If he didn't, the wrinkles wouldn't appear in the back of his left hand. "Training myself, I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could. With this technique, I could hit the ball straight and farther."
I agree there is no pull down on the downswing, but his right elbow would move down slightly as a reaction to releasing the cup in the back of the left wrist. This release is a natural supple release. One can not do it if one's hands and wrists are tight and tense. Almost like a wrist coil going back and an uncoil on the way down. This movement did bring his right elbow on or in front of his right hip.

By the way slice, Hogan was also talking about the left arm on the way down. He liked to rotate it on the way back and then on the way down."My left arm swung right across my chest on the backswing, and was the strongest part of my downswing"

Tom Bertrand

Well he had to rotate the left arm in the downswing because with the club face as open as he had it with a OP golf swing the face would have been so open at impact he would have hoseled it. The more open the club face in a OP golf swing the more left forearm rotation you need to square up the blade on the way down.

michaelgb888 · October 6, 2008

Mizuno67,

I am no-pro, just a starting amateur, but I would like to give this a try.. pardon me if it is a stupid one heh? ...it seems OTT because Hogan rolled (clockwise) the arms/hand up to the top of the backswing, so in transition (of the hand/arms, the transition of the lower body started a bit earlier I believe) the hands would roll back (anti-clockwise) immediately, although not too much but just enough to make it look like OTT. I guess the natural or best way for the hands during transition is to roll back (anti-clock) a little bit, thus making it look like OTT. But it was actually not OTT because the hands rolling back (anticlock) just offset the over rolling (clock) of the hands during backswing. In other words, instead of preventing or stopping the roll-backing of the hands, Hogan let it happen, but prior to it he overdid the rolling of the hands (clockwise) a little bit. As somebody put it, compensation for a compensation, but brilliant in my opinion. Hogan just let what is natural happen.

Plus, the right shoulder is lower at address, so when it comes back in transition, it will return to that lower position but not the hands, so there appears to be OTT. I think this is the same thing as what Slice has already said re turning level of the shoulders.

Am I right or wrong? Please response, I very much accept corrections (better be corrected rather than be stupid all along without you knowing it right? hehehe)

Cheers!