A few rules questions...

[DrSchteeve]

Mostly (or all) about drops....

Basic stuff, I know, but I'm surprised by how few regular golfers know the basics (including me).

1. Relief from a cartpath = single clublength no closer to the hole? Nearest point of complete relief (may cross cartpath if that is the nearest point of complete relief? May use any club to measure length (e.g., driver)?

2. Relief from a lateral hazard (red stakes) = two clublengths? May use any club (e.g., driver)?

3. Rules for drops = if ball rolls more than one clublength from point it lands it is redropped? If this happens twice it can be placed at point it struck the ground on the first (or second?) drop?

4. Rules for lift, clean, and place (or as Tiger calls it, lift, clean, and cheat) = within one clublength (again, any club, e.g. driver?)? One clublength even if that moves from rough to the green? But not out of a bunker or other hazard?

Thanks for any and all info.

[KevCarter]

1) One clublength from nearest point of relief. Nearest point of complete relief MUST be determined, and could measure through the obstruction. You may always use any club in your bag to measure club lengths.

 

2) Two Club lengths using any club.

 

3) A little more complex answer. I have included Rule 20-2:

 

20-2. Dropping and Re-Dropping

 

a. By Whom and How

 

A ball to be dropped under the Rules must be dropped by the player himself. He must stand erect, hold the ball at shoulder height and arm's length and drop it. If a ball is dropped by any other person or in any other manner and the error is not corrected as provided in Rule 20-6, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke.

 

If the ball when dropped touches any person or the equipment of any player before or after it strikes a part of the course and before it comes to rest, the ball must be re-dropped, without penalty. There is no limit to the number of times a ball must be re-dropped in these circumstances.

 

(Taking action to influence position or movement of ball - see Rule 1-2.)

 

b. Where to Drop

 

When a ball is to be dropped as near as possible to a specific spot, it must be dropped not nearer the hole than the specific spot which, if it is not precisely known to the player, must be estimated.

 

A ball when dropped must first strike a part of the course where the applicable Rule requires it to be dropped. If it is not so dropped, Rules 20-6 and 20-7 apply.

 

c. When to Re-Drop

 

A dropped ball must be re-dropped, without penalty, if it:

 

(i) rolls into and comes to rest in a hazard;

(ii) rolls out of and comes to rest outside a hazard;

(iii) rolls onto and comes to rest on a putting green;

(iv) rolls and comes to rest out of bounds;

(v) rolls to and comes to rest in a position where there is interference by the condition from which relief was taken under Rule 24-2b (immovable obstruction), Rule 25-1 (abnormal ground conditions), Rule 25-3 (wrong putting green) or a Local Rule (Rule 33-8a), or rolls back into the pitch-mark from which it was lifted under Rule 25-2 (embedded ball);

(vi) rolls and comes to rest more than two club-lengths from where it first struck a part of the course; or

(vii) rolls and comes to rest nearer the hole than:

 

(a) its original position or estimated position (see Rule 20-2b) unless otherwise permitted by the Rules; or

(b) the nearest point of relief or maximum available relief (Rule 24-2, 25-1 or 25-3); or

© the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or lateral water hazard (Rule 26-1).

 

If the ball when re-dropped rolls into any position listed above, it must be placed as near as possible to the spot where it first struck a part of the course when re-dropped.

 

Note 1: If a ball when dropped or re-dropped comes to rest and subsequently moves, the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.

 

Note 2: If a ball to be re-dropped or placed under this Rule is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted.

 

(Use of Dropping Zone - see Appendix I; Part B; Section 8.)

 

4) This would be a local rule that must be defined by the Golf/Tournament Committee. See appendix one for examples of local rule for preferred lies.

 

http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/ru...appendix_I.html

 

Kevin

[paulyb]

Basic stuff, I know, but I'm surprised by how few regular golfers know the basics (including me).

 

1. Relief from a cartpath = single clublength no closer to the hole? Nearest point of complete relief (may cross cartpath if that is the nearest point of complete relief? May use any club to measure length (e.g., driver)?

 

1 club length, any club is OK. Nearest point of relief is determined by finding the closest point to the ball that, if the ball was placed there would allow you to play a shot. Nearest point of relief is determined by using the club you would have played the shot with.

 

2. Relief from a lateral hazard (red stakes) = two clublengths? May use any club (e.g., driver)?

 

2 clublengths and driver can be used

 

3. Rules for drops = if ball rolls more than one clublength from point it lands it is redropped? If this happens twice it can be placed at point it struck the ground on the first (or second?) drop?

 

If ball when dropped goes outside the 1 club/2 club you must re drop. 2nd time requires placing ball where it first hit the ground.

 

4. Rules for lift, clean, and place (or as Tiger calls it, lift, clean, and cheat) = within one clublength (again, any club, e.g. driver?)? One clublength even if that moves from rough to the green? But not out of a bunker or other hazard?

 

Lift, clean and place is just that. No dropping invlolved. Place the ball as close to the original spot. This is a local rule, Appendix I A, 2, 4, a. I am not talking about scramble "rules".

 

Embedded ball rule requires a drop as near as possible to the original spot. Rule 25-2.

 

Thanks for any and all info.