skinny99 wrote on Sep 4 2008, 07:32 PM:
I just sent the putter out today and didn't want to let it go. I really like the way this putter rolled the ball,the face milling seemed to make the ball hold it's line very well. I installed the fatback flange to play my last three rounds and really like the way it looks. The fit and finish were excellent and Chris(choeppner) was a cool to deal with. I would highly recommend getting a Machine to anyone looking right now. Thanks Todd
scotchblade wrote on Sep 4 2008, 09:38 PM:
Really enjoyed the Machine putter. My SS came with the standard, fatback and tongue flange and an assortment of weights. Mostly I used it with the fatback. It is easy to swap them out, just two screws. Careful taking out the weights, I broke one of the little prongs on the toolbit and a replacement was quickly shipped and received. I did not feel like I was using excessive force, it just snapped off, so easy does it!
I'm not great at putting feel into words. All I can say is the Fatback config looked good at address, set up well and was solid feeling during the stroke. I really don't know what the headweight is, but it was hefty. The putter put a very nice roll on the ball and had a softish feel at impact, not a hard click. I liked the impact feel and sound very much. The unique "Reverse Arch" grip, which has a slight curve in the opposite direction of your standard grip worked for me. Not sure who makes this grip, it reminded me a little of an Iomic in feel, but with the shape of a GP Dual Durometer.
Craftsmanship and milling is first rate, this is a quality product. I love all the options to mix and match materials and finishes, but it makes it hard to make a final decision. Machine putters are a little out of my comfort zone price wise, but that probably won't stop me.
Thanks Chris and all involved who made this possible.
Shagshow wrote on Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM:
I received the tool yesterday, thanks so much that was some response! My knock on the grip was the feel, but after my rounds this weekend I can certainly say it didn't effect performance in the least. This putter puts an excellent roll on the ball (Face milling certainly enhances this), and I haven't had a day on the greens like this weekend in a while. I didn't three put once this weekend, dropped 2 bombs in over 30 feet, and was pretty much money 8 feet and in. Had only one issue with a wicked lag putt (shouldn't have put it on that part of the green anyways), but soon figured out the proper feel. What a great putter, I can't wait to configure the weights on this one and try and improve its performance. I'm quite impressed!
SteveL1 wrote on Sep 12 2008, 09:37 PM:
Mine arrived Wednesday and when I opened the box I just about fainted. It's gorgeous! My wife even commented on the face milling and overall quality and for her to take any interest at all in a golf club is a very big deal!
I've tried just about every combination of backs at least three times and can not decide which I like the most. Only used is on the Boomerang in the basement so far but plan on getting it on a real green tomorrow weather permiting.
Oh, and for those interested in weight combinations, I've had this one all the way from a D6 to an F1 swing weight. I am keeping lots of notes and will try to post some pictues and a review in a few days if I can lay it down long enough.
Chris, thanks again for puting this program together and let me know who the lucky person is that I am to send it to when I'm finished in about a month. Just kidding!
MacMia wrote on Sep 16 2008, 05:25 PM:
I was very excited to take part in this demo program, having spent countless hours drooling over the Art and Prototypes from about a year ago. Thanks to Machine- Chris, Doug, Dave- for the opportunity.
Quick context on the reviewer. I play (statistically) off a 1.2 GHIN. My stroke is solid, and a gate stroke. I game a Scotty Circle T Newport Beach 1.5 neck, 350 grams, 1 degree flat at 34 inches. Love this putter, although I fear for theft every time I game it or play away.
I got the Machine M2A Converter in a neatly packed Fed Ex box. The first thing that I did was to I pull out the sheet that has all of the components listed- fat back, blade back, and tongue back, and all of the weights / screws. Before touching a thing, I got a calculator. The end game was to come up with 3 or so different versions of a 350-365 gram head using the pieces. I got the calculator and came up with the following combinations (and reviewed each one)
__Combo 1: Standard Blade Set Up__
Head (247)+ Neck (42) + Blade Back (44) + 2 ¾ Tungsten weights (15) + 2 ¾ Steel (7) = 355 grams
__Combo 2: Fat Back__
Head (247) + Neck + (42)+ Fat Back (89) = 378 grams
__Combo 3: Tongue Back__
Head (247) + Neck (42) + Tongue Back (70) + 2 ¾ Steel (7) = 366 grams
The look of the Machine is of.. well.. a Machine. The pieces are incredibly well made and the finishes, curves, etc are extremely high quality. Paint fill looks great and the milling is pristine. When you put the pieces in their places, everything “lines up” which to me shows that the tolerances are very tight. The finishes match perfectly, and the putter is very much serious business.
In addition to the putter itself, the accessory bags / tools / head cover are first class. AME made, cool logos, and reasonable sizes given what is in them. I would suggest going with the smaller assembly tool rather than the long one as it is easier to use and hold in the bags.
*Feel and Performance:
Before I review the combos, let me talk a little about the VMG grooves. As I said, my gamer is a Scotty Cameron Circle T 1.5 Newport Beach. It has milling marks on the front, but the Machine has MILLING MARKS. They do not look or feel like the C Groove on a YES putter but feel far more functional that those or something like the AGSI inserts. I felt that a major portion of the roll performance that I got from the various combos was attributable to the VMG milling- not just cool looking, but seemed to promote better over spin and roll.
With some planning, assembly is a no brainer. You just need to know what you are trying to build. This is not a set of Legos, but a finely crafted set of pieces that when put together can do some cool stuff. If you rush it, you will get frustrated. After having Machine send me a new 2 prong bit (the one I got was broken), I proceeded to break the new one in about 5 minutes when I over-torqued a weight.
When doing the review of each combo, I looked at three things:
1. Looks- how the combo suited my eye
2. “Dead Center” Feel- striking a putt dead center in the sweet spot, both short and long
3. “Off Center” Feel- striking a putt off the toe to deaden the putt (e.g. as might be used for slick down hill putt)
__Combo 1: Standard Blade__
Intuitively, I thought that this would be my “go to” set up as it was the most similar to what I game.
Set up is clean, putter looks like it was built this way, not assembled this way. Pulls off the Anser look but adds some cleaner lines to the tried and true formula.
Dead Center Feel: 9/10
The rolls that I put on this putter are fantastic. Seem to grab and roll with little to no hop off the face. Contact is crispy soft- not “clicky” like an Odyssey Black Series / Cameron Studio but not mushy like some insert putters. It was very close to my Circle T and the end over end roll was very impressive. No change in performance for short or long putts- all rock solid.
Off Center Feel: 10/10
The putter allowed me to “take something off of it” when I needed to in order to moderate speed. It still felt steady and responsive.
Overall Combo: 28/30
__Combo 2: Fat Back__
This putter plays almost exactly like Combo 1, with two notable exceptions. The larger flange inspired more visual confidence and the stroke felt smoother due to where the mass is positioned from the Fat Back.
Set up is clean, putter looks like it was built this way, not assembled this way. Longer flange makes it look like a game improvement / High MOI putter without any of the crazy stuff. I could easily see myself using this attachment when I lost confidence in the standard blade.
Dead Center Feel: 9/10
Very similar to Combo 1 with the exception of the impression that the Fat Back promotes a feeling of rolling the weight over the ball, not into the ball. Roll was pure- although distance control was a little tougher on the long putts.
Off Center Feel: 8/10
I had a hard time “take something off of it” when I needed to. This was probably a function of all of the mass behind the ball across the entire face (it was also the heaviest combo). Then again, I could probably just stroke it lighter but that would require a technique change, not equipment.
Overall Combo: 27/30
__Combo 3: Tongue Back__
This putter is the best of both worlds- looks like a blade, but has the Tongue to give you the “2 Ball” effect. This one has Gamer potential.
Set up is great- the diameter of the Tongue and the fact that the heel and the toe look like a classic Blade is a fantastic look. I could easily see myself using this attachment.
Dead Center Feel: 10/10
Very similar to Combo 2. Still a feeling of rolling the weight over the ball, not into the ball. Only difference is that the weight is more “controllable”. Roll was pure- no change in performance for short or long putts- all rock solid. Best feeling of all three for Dead Center hits.
Off Center Feel: 10/10
This combo gave me exactly what I got with the standard blade- I felt that the speed could be regulated by hitting it off the toe. Very well done.
Overall Combo: 29/30
__Overall “Overall’ Review:__
This is finely crafted set of putting tools that puts together some great combinations with patience.
When put together, it looks as if the pieces were meant for each other- and feel absolutely rock solid in virtually any combination. The Machine M2A Converter provides a unique option where you can get your “base” set- head shape, materials, neck- and then experiment from there- without having to buy another flat stick. Even when you go for some of the options- and Machine has some of the coolest like melted bumpers and hand peening, etc- the price comes no where close to what I paid for my Circle T. Machine does a great job at the complete package- Head, Neck, Attachments, and Accessories- which in my mind puts it in elite class of putter craftsmen (none of which currently provide this creative of a set up)
I am grateful to have participated in this Demo program- and even more excited to get to work on my order form for my new Machine. I plan to add one to the arsenal- and based on the early feedback, it has a real shot at being the gamer.
triton981 wrote on Sep 25 2008, 02:20 PM:
Hope I get mine. I am buying another putter within the next week or so. I guess it will depend on my demo opportunity greatly but, I am right handed so maybe that will help. LOL
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