Shortening backswing

[PhillipG78]

I have a very long back swing, and find myself occasionally over swinging even though it feels like I’m shortening my swing. Anyone else had this problem and found a good fix for it? Here’s a short clip of me hitting a 1 iron for reference. 

[Shallowface]

48 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I have a very long back swing, and find myself occasionally over swinging even though it feels like I’m shortening my swing. Anyone else had this problem and found a good fix for it? Here’s a short clip of me hitting a 1 iron for reference. 

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Getting older fixed it for me. 

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, PhillipG78 said:

I have a very long back swing, and find myself occasionally over swinging even though it feels like I’m shortening my swing. Anyone else had this problem and found a good fix for it? Here’s a short clip of me hitting a 1 iron for reference. 

There isn't a quick fix. How committed are you to changing it because there are a few elements that need it and they're going to feel weird AF to you. 

[PhillipG78]

5 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

There isn't a quick fix. How committed are you to changing it because there are a few elements that need it and they're going to feel weird AF to you. 

It’s something I definitely need to fix so I can be more consistent in finding fairways

[PhillipG78]

I’m open to suggestions 

[TheDeanAbides]

4 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

It’s something I definitely need to fix so I can be more consistent in finding fairways

You do. It's a swing that's going to break down more as you get older. 

 

Okay, so your setup is pretty good, but your right hand grip looks strong to me - not connected enough to your left and that encourages you to overpower your backswing with your right hand. You take it out away from you, then deep and flat inside and then reroute up into a pretty decent position, but because you've taken such a long route to get there it's easy for you to overcook it. 

 

Your backswing must feel like an event! A properly sequenced backswing is going to feel like it's over in a fraction of the time and will probably feel like you've taken the club back two feet. 

I'd really like to see a face on to check the grip and see how much spine angle you lose at the top. From the top you spin your shoulders and to get directly to the ball too quickly. 

 

I honestly think that the best thing you could do for yourself is to grab a copy of the NTC from Monte and head over to that thread. It has all the answers for the least outlay, and we'll be able to support you. 

For what it's worth, I had a similar backswing 20 years ago. Rebuilding it was fun.

[PhillipG78]

Yeah I don’t know when my take 

22 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

You do. It's a swing that's going to break down more as you get older. 

 

Okay, so your setup is pretty good, but your right hand grip looks strong to me - not connected enough to your left and that encourages you to overpower your backswing with your right hand. You take it out away from you, then deep and flat inside and then reroute up into a pretty decent position, but because you've taken such a long route to get there it's easy for you to overcook it. 

 

Your backswing must feel like an event! A properly sequenced backswing is going to feel like it's over in a fraction of the time and will probably feel like you've taken the club back two feet. 

I'd really like to see a face on to check the grip and see how much spine angle you lose at the top. From the top you spin your shoulders and to get directly to the ball too quickly. 

 

I honestly think that the best thing you could do for yourself is to grab a copy of the NTC from Monte and head over to that thread. It has all the answers for the least outlay, and we'll be able to support you. 

For what it's worth, I had a similar backswing 20 years ago. Rebuilding it was fun.

Yeah I don’t know when my takeaway got like that, I’m open to suggestions on my grip as I can seem to find the right grip to stick with. I always struggle with taking the club too deep and too long. Not sure if it matters but I’m 6’ and driver SS is in the 115-120 range when I do it right. What’s NTC?

Edited September 30, 2021 by PhillipG78

[TheDeanAbides]

2 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

Yeah I don’t know when my take 

Yeah I don’t know when my takeaway got like that, I’m open to suggestions on my grip as I can seem to find the right grip to stick with. What’s NTC?

It's the easiest way to develop a tour level swing. No bull. Straight out exactly the concepts your swing needs. 

 

https://video.rebelliongolf.com/programs/noturncast

 

Happy to look at your grip, but need to see it face on close up.

Edited September 30, 2021 by TheDeanAbides

[PhillipG78]

5 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

It's the easiest way to develop a tour level swing. No bull. Straight out exactly the concepts your swing needs. 

 

https://video.rebelliongolf.com/programs/noturncast

 

Happy to look at your grip, but need to see it face on close up.

I’ll try and see if I can have someone take pics. I’m always fiddling with it so take it with a grain of salt. Here’s a pic from when I briefly took lessons 

 

[Righty to Lefty]

48 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

There isn't a quick fix. How committed are you to changing it because there are a few elements that need it and they're going to feel weird AF to you. 

Very true...I went through this process a few years ago and it is maddening at first and took months of focused effort and you have to be willing to accept a dip in performance in the hope that the change ends up better for you and will lead to improvement in the long term, which isn't guaranteed.  I literally wore a blocker on my arm that would prevent my trail arm from bending very much at all and spent months getting used to the feeling of a restricted range of motion.  I will have to take a picture of the training aid and how I modified it to exaggerate things even more.  You then have to go through the hell of recalibrating your timing because at first your body will feel rushed because you will feel  like you have so much less time to execute your swing motion.  Over time though and with focused effort it can be done and it did end up being a benefit to my game.  

[TheDeanAbides]

6 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I’ll try and see if I can have someone take pics. I’m always fiddling with it so take it with a grain of salt. Here’s a pic from when I briefly took lessons 

 

That's actually not bad. Can I see just the left please? 

[PhillipG78]

2 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

Very true...I went through this process a few years ago and it is maddening at first and took months of focused effort and you have to be willing to accept a dip in performance in the hope that the change ends up better for you and will lead to improvement in the long term, which isn't guaranteed.  I literally wore a blocker on my arm that would prevent my trail arm from bending very much at all and spent months getting used to the feeling of a restricted range of motion.  I will have to take a picture of the training aid and how I modified it to exaggerate things even more.  You then have to go through the hell of recalibrating your timing because at first your body will feel rushed because you will feel  like you have so much less time to execute your swing motion.  Over time though and with focused effort it can be done and it did end up being a benefit to my game.  

I used to be a low single digit HC but honestly never had my swing analyzed so not sure how long I’ve been doing these things 

[PhillipG78]

1 minute ago, TheDeanAbides said:

That's actually not bad. Can I see just the left please? 

I sadly don’t have a pic from then, and quite honestly I can’t quite remember how I did that grip fully, I’m open to suggestions on how to best grip 

[PhillipG78]

I’ve been all over the place with grip, 1,2,3,4 knuckles, I really struggle with how to best match up the left and right. I tend to pull shots left a lot, hit far but left. 

[Righty to Lefty]

1 minute ago, PhillipG78 said:

I used to be a low single digit HC but honestly never had my swing analyzed so not sure how long I’ve been doing these things 

What was done...can be undone...but not without focused effort! The thought of what I went through still traumatizes me to this day!! I will take a pic of the training aid that helped steepen my progress and you will immediately see why I was losing my sanity while using it.  I didn't hit a ball without it on my arm for 3 straight months! 

[TheDeanAbides]

3 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I’ve been all over the place with grip, 1,2,3,4 knuckles, I really struggle with how to best match up the left and right. I tend to pull shots left a lot, hit far but left. 

Take some photos of where it is now and we'll get it sorted. You look like you have quite big hands. You might need thicker grips. 

[TheDeanAbides]

8 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I used to be a low single digit HC but honestly never had my swing analyzed so not sure how long I’ve been doing these things 

I bet you always hit a cut and your bad shot was a pull that could cut or hook, right? You've been getting away with it through athletic ability and now as you get older those compensations become harder to manage. Same as me. 

[PhillipG78]

8 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Take some photos of where it is now and we'll get it sorted. You look like you have quite big hands. You might need thicker grips. 

I actually have very small hands especially for a man my size. 

[PhillipG78]

8 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I bet you always hit a cut and your bad shot was a pull that could cut or hook, right? You've been getting away with it through athletic ability and now as you get older those compensations become harder to manage. Same as me. 

I’m not sure what a cut is, when I’m swing well I hit a power fade, when I’m not swinging well it goes left or chunk it 

[PhillipG78]

It would really help having someone physically put me in the right positions so I know what I feels like. 

[PhillipG78]

43 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

It's the easiest way to develop a tour level swing. No bull. Straight out exactly the concepts your swing needs. 

 

https://video.rebelliongolf.com/programs/noturncast

 

Happy to look at your grip, but need to see it face on close up.

Do I need to subscribe to see all this?

[TheDeanAbides]

11 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I’m not sure what a cut is, when I’m swing well I hit a power fade, when I’m not swinging well it goes left or chunk it 

Cut = power fade. When you're swinging well your hands are saving you. When you're not they're not. 

[PhillipG78]

Often times taking a smooth easy slow swing I hit it clean, other times it doesn’t. 

[TheDeanAbides]

Just now, PhillipG78 said:

Often times taking a smooth easy slow swing I hit it clean, other times it doesn’t. 

A smooth swing is everyone's favourite way to plaster over the cracks. What it does is gives you a fraction longer to time the ball from your OTT move. 

[PhillipG78]

6 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

A smooth swing is everyone's favourite way to plaster over the cracks. What it does is gives you a fraction longer to time the ball from your OTT move. 

I understand what good swing mechanics are, the trick is getting my body to do them, feels vs reels stuff 

Edited September 30, 2021 by PhillipG78

[TheDeanAbides]

13 minutes ago, PhillipG78 said:

I understand what good swing mechanics are, the trick is getting my body to do them, feels vs reels stuff 

NTC will help, as would Broomforce when your backswing is more neutral. 

[Righty to Lefty]

 

3 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

What was done...can be undone...but not without focused effort! The thought of what I went through still traumatizes me to this day!! I will take a pic of the training aid that helped steepen my progress and you will immediately see why I was losing my sanity while using it.  I didn't hit a ball without it on my arm for 3 straight months! 

This is a swing extender training aid that I modified that will simply not allow your trail arm to bend enough to over swing. You will have max width and have no choice but to shorten your back swing! I hated life at first but over time it worked amazing and I still use it to this day for maintenance purposes so to not fall back into old habits.  

[Shallowface]

7 hours ago, PhillipG78 said:

Do I need to subscribe to see all this?

I believe the No Turn Cast video is on YouTube.  It may be an older version, but it's all you need.

 

I saw it several years ago, and I can honestly say it was the single most helpful piece of golf instruction I ever saw.  Beautiful in its simplicity and effectiveness. 

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

6 minutes ago, Shallowface said:

I believe the No Turn Cast video is on YouTube.  It may be an older version, but it's all you need.

 

I saw it several years ago, and I can honestly say it was the single most helpful piece of golf instruction I ever saw.  Beautiful in its simplicity and effectiveness. 

 

 

The old YouTube video is out of date. Monte has upgraded the concept and made it much easier to implement. 

[PhillipG78]

Thanks for all the input guys