Lowest launching shafts

[tomdabomb]

Guys what is the lowest launching shafts? I have a high ball flight just thinking of trying something new. Would KBS $ taper be a good start? 

[Trippels]

46 minutes ago, tomdabomb said:

Guys what is the lowest launching shafts? I have a high ball flight just thinking of trying something new. Would KBS $ taper be a good start? 

Shafts don't launch

 

 

[tomdabomb]

1 minute ago, Trippels said:

Shafts don't launch

 

 

Don't be silly.. shafts absolutely change ball flight. Every single manufacturer who makes shafts describes their products as high/med/low launching shafts...

[zrheisler22]

14 minutes ago, tomdabomb said:

Don't be silly.. shafts absolutely change ball flight. Every single manufacturer who makes shafts describes their products as high/med/low launching shafts...

Correct they change ball flight but it doesn’t necessarily mean they do as advertised. For instance I launched and spun the Ventus black more than I did the Ventus red because that’s how my body reacted to the profile of the shaft. 

[tomdabomb]

26 minutes ago, zrheisler22 said:

Correct they change ball flight but it doesn’t necessarily mean they do as advertised. For instance I launched and spun the Ventus black more than I did the Ventus red because that’s how my body reacted to the profile of the shaft. 

Yeah but I came on here asking for equipment advice and this guy this he's a smart a** with his comments?

[zrheisler22]

Just now, tomdabomb said:

Yeah but I came on here asking for equipment advice and this guy this he's a smart a** with his comments?

I mean he technically isn’t wrong, the shaft itself is nothing more than a timing device. Loft/strike has the biggest impact on launch and apex. 

[GoGoErky]

37 minutes ago, tomdabomb said:

Don't be silly.. shafts absolutely change ball flight. Every single manufacturer who makes shafts describes their products as high/med/low launching shafts...

 

2 minutes ago, tomdabomb said:

Yeah but I came on here asking for equipment advice and this guy this he's a smart a** with his comments?

He’s not a being that at all, he’s telling

the truth. Read the above link 

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, Trippels said:

Shafts don't launch

 

 

There’s literally hundreds of threads on this forum discussing this topic and everyone points out how shafts don’t launch or spin.  loft along with changing contact location is what influences them.

super easy to find information on here about the topic.

 

 

Edited Friday at 01:11 PM by GoGoErky

[saebaebae]

3 hours ago, tomdabomb said:

Guys what is the lowest launching shafts? I have a high ball flight just thinking of trying something new. Would KBS $ taper be a good start? 

Based on your sig and setup, you are already playing whats "considered" one of lowest launch/lowest spin. 

 

But everyone delivers the iron differently into the ball. There are so many factors to why you could have high ball flight. For me I have bounced back between two different iron shafts (C Taper 125 and Modus 130 X). On paper, Modus 130 is a high launch low spin shaft and C Taper is Low/Low. On the monitor, Modus flew lower then C Taper. I have an extremely late release, paired with the soft tip section of the Modus 130 causing my dynamic lie to be higher then the C Taper. The C Taper held its dynamic lie better through impact which caused higher ball flight.

 

I will say the differences were not huge, but there is so much to this that is why people say "go get fitted", I know, sounds super cliche, but you just wont know unless you want to spend the money to test and trial.

[bcflyguy1]

1 hour ago, tomdabomb said:

Yeah but I came on here asking for equipment advice and this guy this he's a smart a** with his comments?

It's not the truth and I guarantee switching to one of these shafts won't accomplish your objectives, but here's the answer you came in for.

 

Dynamic Gold X7

Project X 7.0

Project X LS 7.0

Nippon Modus3 Super Peening Blue (good luck finding these, but this list doesn't really matter anyway)

KBS C Taper 130X

 

 

 

@Trippels told the truth. If that makes him an "intelligent donkey," then count me in the same herd.

Yes, shaft companies do describe their products as manipulating launch and spin. However, you must consider those descriptors in light of these truths.

 

1. They're testing their shafts with robots that find face center with ideal launch conditions on every single data point. No human is capable of replicating that.

2. Even on the robot, the differences in launch conditions are subtle enough to disappear into the error margins once the human element is introduced.

3. Ultimately the shaft manufacturers just want you to buy, like any other business. If they can get you trying to manipulate your ball flight by buying multiple shaft profiles/colors/weights/flexes, that's effective business FOR THEM but it does nothing to help you play better. 

4. Shaft absolutely do matter, they just don't matter the way shaft companies and the conventional wisdom (which is actually foolishness) would have you believe.

 

With that said, here's how I can guarantee you will achieve your objective of lowering trajectory off irons.

1. Practice delivering less dynamic loft. Hit what feel like punch or knockdown shots until you're sick to death of doing so and cussing me and @Trippels...and then hit some more. Make a game out of seeing how low you can hit each iron and wedge in your bag while still striking it well. You might even become a better player in the process.

2. See #1.

The truth isn't always what we want to hear, but the truth also doesn't care one bit about what we want to hear. It just...is.

 

[RobS]

3 hours ago, tomdabomb said:

Guys what is the lowest launching shafts? I have a high ball flight just thinking of trying something new. Would KBS $ taper be a good start? 

I'd start by looking at shafts with stiff tip sections.  I get that guys will tell you the shaft wont do much but the shaft will influence dynamic loft at impact.  Dynamic Gold, KBS C-Taper, PX are some examples.  You can also look at shafts that don't have the stiffest of tips but have a pretty stiff profile overall like a $ Taper or Modus 130.  The Modus 130, for example, doesn't have a stiff tip compared to it's mid and butt sections but those areas are so stiff that it makes it difficult to activate the tip if you play it in in a stiffer flex than your transition and speed would traditionally fit.  I'd generally caution going too stiff with any shaft as it can hurt your mechanics.  When a shaft is a board, some players will struggle to maintain their angles and release the club early creating a higher launch with what would be considered a low launch set up.  A shaft that has the right amount of action/feel is typically going to help the player maintain control of the club head.  For some players, that may be a one piece feel and for others that may be some deflection in the handle or mid section.  I personally think good old DG X100 is a good place to start or if you have an aggressive transition, grip it and rip it type swing, CT Taper, PX or X7.

[bcflyguy1]

5 minutes ago, RobS said:

When a shaft is a board, some players will struggle to maintain their angles and release the club early creating a higher launch with what would be considered a low launch set up.  A shaft that has the right amount of action/feel is typically going to help the player maintain control of the club head.  For some players, that may be a one piece feel and for others that may be some deflection in the handle or mid section. 

Thank you for saying it so I didn't have to. This is the end result far more often than not.

@tomdabomb If your signature is still current, I actually do see some low hanging fruit that SHOULD help you bring your iron peak heights down, and that's a ball change. Again, we're not talking earth shattering differences here, but ProV1X is engineered to be Titleist's highest launching and spinning ball off irons so it's not doing anything to help you. ProV1 is a familiar and viable option, but if you're willing to branch out then TP5X, Chrome Tour X, Z Star, and Z Star Diamond may offer more help than ProV1.

[Pnwpingi210]

Shafts are a timing and energy delivery device.  On paper stiff mid and tip sections tend to lower launch.  How you as a player react to those shafts in your golf swing can provide different results.

the shafts listed above are the lower est of the low on paper.

 

unless your 7 iron ss on a stock shot is well over 100mph on trackman (104+ mph on gc quad) you probably don’t “need” those ultra stiff profiles.

as a former rebar playing guy, I can tell you working in my how deliver dynamic loft at impact had a far greater effect than changing shafts.  Iron heads also have a greater impact.  The t100 are one of the higher spinning and apexing irons for me, just about any other player cb spun less and resulted in a lower flight.

Edited Friday at 03:23 PM by Pnwpingi210

[Howard_Jones]

5 hours ago, tomdabomb said:

Guys what is the lowest launching shafts? I have a high ball flight just thinking of trying something new. Would KBS $ taper be a good start? 

The question is WHY do you have a high ball flight? A LM report might give some insight to that, but C-Taper 125 is NOT a "high launch shaft", its LOW, so i would like one above suggest, try a different BALL, or simply bend lofts stronger, if you like those C-tapers on feel and dispersion. Its simply very limited what the shaft itself can do here, so dont choose shafts due to flight pattern, but how they work for your swing and timing, because thats the strongest influence a shaft has

[PNW]

5 hours ago, tomdabomb said:

Yeah but I came on here asking for equipment advice and this guy this he's a smart a** with his comments?

 

3 hours ago, bcflyguy1 said:

 

Dynamic Gold X7

Project X 7.0

Project X LS 7.0

Nippon Modus3 Super Peening Blue (good luck finding these, but this list doesn't really matter anyway)

KBS C Taper 130X

 

Yep, there you go. Hopefully your trip around the shaft merry-go-round only lasts a few months before you realize he was right and it’s not a shaft change that you’re looking for the bring ball flight down.