Edel Golf Wedges and Putter Pics

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[b]Keep your posts/comments on the topic of Edel wedge photos that Easyyy posted.

Any more off topic back-and-forth in this thread will result in not-insubstantial repercussions.[/b]

Thank you.

[drivethepar4]

Hey easyyy,

I know this post/thread kind of lost its direction, but wanted to say thanks for posting - passion is why we are all here!

I took a look at the one link that was provided with the grooves and face of the club and am curious as to their grooves and groove configuration/pattern. Is there some some of performance characteristic and benefit of putting the grooves where they did (or where did they not - or did they not), do you know? Kind of an odd look to me (not impressed by look alone at address then), but if there is a benefit, would be great if someone knew what this may be?

Considering I sh*&k one every once in awhile (a few times a year, but so does Webb Simpson, per himself), wonder if I can get grooves on the shaft/hosel. Ha! Just kidding, but was curious as to their groove pattern. Anyone know?

[quote name='easyyy' timestamp='1318823767' post='3681761']
Edel Golf Wedges and Putter Pics from the Nationwide Tour. Diego Velasquez- Puma, Cobra and Edel Golf...

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[NJGolfer21]

just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.

[drivethepar4]

wait now... haven't even read your whole post through.... are you saying you don't want to hit your wedges off the face...?? I know I mentioned an issue once or twice a year,m but that is not my goal or what I achieve - I do hit it off the clubface and hopefully my handicap can prove that.... just ask Webb....

I will admit that I hit my chip/pitch and run shots toward the toe, but that is not for your average golfer, so I don't understand this theory.... make it so you can hit worse shots and excel? Should it not be finding a way to better hit the sweet spot you want and possibly compensate a miss or two once in awhile, without making the clubfae itself look odd?

Belen may not be the best example for a wedge company in reality.... but she does look good using them.

[quote name='NJGolfer21' timestamp='1319598904' post='3718887']
just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.
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[drivethepar4]

Appreciate your info and feedback to my thoughts..

I'm not a firm believer that anyone can say "everyone" in a comment on an open forum, because I bet you/we will get someone that isn't "everyone" - and you are the one that used the word.

On my wedges I do not have the pattern you speak of - I have a nickle/dime (I like to think dime - more like nickle) in the middle of my club-face, tending slightly toward the toe. And yes, when I do open up the club face at times I am trying to hit it high/low toward the toe, but never toward the hosel. but, still don't understand why I would want grooves there if that is not where I want to hit it unless trying something 'funky' where I will already know how it will react.... not a shot I would want any spin on or grooves anyway. Like I mentioned, i like Bela, but have only seen her twice on LPGA coverage and once on a TGC throw in because she looks good speaking about a bunker shot - don't know if she is the best to speak about or prove their capabilties.... just my thougths...

where did you see hers... just by pics? Agree with you regarding fitting to your swing and game, just personally don't (and don't think will ever - personal I suppose) like the look at address..... don't think it would help my game or thought process..

Others have the options you referenced as well... including Cleveland who has a whole new Wedge line with customization coming out trying to compete with companies similar to these customized specialists. Will never reach this level in regard to fitting and specialization unless you actually went to their shop, but a good option for less money. check out Cleveland's new line for '12.



[quote name='NJGolfer21' timestamp='1319598904' post='3718887']
just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.
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[drivethepar4]

and not to sound indifferent, but what would make these different than a Vokey or Cleveland or other custom wedge? I don't really see anything but what you think? I like that angle, but I am like you, but bet I can come up with something that would make a difference.... we can all all open the face way up per your terms..... why is an Edel better in that regard? why is their bounce angel better than others and why - aren't all bounce angle the same if the same angle and theory, or do they have a new theory on bounce angle? A lot of similarities, and a lot of differences out there....

who is THE authority on this right now, would be good to know, and who are the others? I used to be decent, but am up to 2, and want to further educate as this is where I may be lacking.... but can get up and down from an alligator.... love custome and think I have some great options right now, but want to keep all options open for future.... contact info appreciated and will apply reference info where appropriate..... thanks.

[quote name='NJGolfer21' timestamp='1319598904' post='3718887']
just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.
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[pointebeach]

1) The heel and toe grind on the wedges are totally different than a Vokey or Cleveland. You would actually have to take the time to hit the club to know the difference.
2) You could never "open up" a Vokey or Cleveland and have it stay square to the target like these wedges. Take a Vokey and an Edel wedge open them up and see the difference.
3) The bounce is fit to your swing's angle of attack. No new theory, just not a mass produced club that is not fit for how your wedge interacts with the ground.
4) Mike Adams is the authority, call him, he's not hard to find.
5) Belen's short game play has improved dramatically this year. She has worked extremely hard to become a better player and it shows in her performance. Top 5 at Walmart in Arkansas a month ago,.
6) the grooves go further towards the toe as the is where the center of percussion is on the clubface. The center of percussion on most wedges is between the center and the hosel. Given that is not where you want to be striking the ball, a lot of wedges vibrate when you hit them in the center to toe of the club. Edel wedges have a center of percussion where the ball strikes the club face giving it a much more solid feel, and the grooves are lengthen to provide for more consistent spin.



[quote name='drivethepar4' timestamp='1319608205' post='3719251']
and not to sound indifferent, but what would make these different than a Vokey or Cleveland or other custom wedge? I don't really see anything but what you think? I like that angle, but I am like you, but bet I can come up with something that would make a difference.... we can all all open the face way up per your terms..... why is an Edel better in that regard? why is their bounce angel better than others and why - aren't all bounce angle the same if the same angle and theory, or do they have a new theory on bounce angle? A lot of similarities, and a lot of differences out there....

who is THE authority on this right now, would be good to know, and who are the others? I used to be decent, but am up to 2, and want to further educate as this is where I may be lacking.... but can get up and down from an alligator.... love custome and think I have some great options right now, but want to keep all options open for future.... contact info appreciated and will apply reference info where appropriate..... thanks.

[quote name='NJGolfer21' timestamp='1319598904' post='3718887']
just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.
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[SPY ZINGER]

This is the concept JP incorporates with his designs, moving the sweet spot toward the center of the clubface as well as altering CG.

[pointebeach]

I'm pretty sure he also invented the light bulb.

[quote name='pointebeach' timestamp='1319648291' post='3721027']
1) The heel and toe grind on the wedges are totally different than a Vokey or Cleveland. You would actually have to take the time to hit the club to know the difference.
2) You could never "open up" a Vokey or Cleveland and have it stay square to the target like these wedges. Take a Vokey and an Edel wedge open them up and see the difference.
3) The bounce is fit to your swing's angle of attack. No new theory, just not a mass produced club that is not fit for how your wedge interacts with the ground.
4) Mike Adams is the authority, call him, he's not hard to find.
5) Belen's short game play has improved dramatically this year. She has worked extremely hard to become a better player and it shows in her performance. Top 5 at Walmart in Arkansas a month ago,.
6) the grooves go further towards the toe as the is where the center of percussion is on the clubface. The center of percussion on most wedges is between the center and the hosel. Given that is not where you want to be striking the ball, a lot of wedges vibrate when you hit them in the center to toe of the club. Edel wedges have a center of percussion where the ball strikes the club face giving it a much more solid feel, and the grooves are lengthen to provide for more consistent spin.



[quote name='drivethepar4' timestamp='1319608205' post='3719251']
and not to sound indifferent, but what would make these different than a Vokey or Cleveland or other custom wedge? I don't really see anything but what you think? I like that angle, but I am like you, but bet I can come up with something that would make a difference.... we can all all open the face way up per your terms..... why is an Edel better in that regard? why is their bounce angel better than others and why - aren't all bounce angle the same if the same angle and theory, or do they have a new theory on bounce angle? A lot of similarities, and a lot of differences out there....

who is THE authority on this right now, would be good to know, and who are the others? I used to be decent, but am up to 2, and want to further educate as this is where I may be lacking.... but can get up and down from an alligator.... love custome and think I have some great options right now, but want to keep all options open for future.... contact info appreciated and will apply reference info where appropriate..... thanks.

[quote name='NJGolfer21' timestamp='1319598904' post='3718887']
just makes the wedge more versitle.

When I saw Belen Mozo's wedges it was the first set of the wedges that I saw and I found it odd that the grooves would go that far out to the outside of the face. But the more you look at your wedges and the wear pattern, you can see where you use the outer part of the face, almost have groove hits for shots you open the face way open. The rear bounce angle is severe so it allows you to open the face quite nicely.

i.e. uphill pitch shot with pin on the front hill and you want it to get real lofty and stop.

I can only compare these wedges with what Mike use to fit which was the custom vokey designs which were pretty sweet as well. I think these wedges are awesome and everyone that owns em loves em too.

They are each hand-made. yes they are pricey a bit, but I would rate these with top of the line equipment. Have to see it more as investments. Who doesnt like buying equipment that is fitted for your swing? It just works that much easier for you.

Options from stamping, paint fill, numbers or letters for the lofts, wedge shafts from kbs hi-rev to dg spinners to px or tour issue DG's. I think they are sweet.
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[pointebeach]

I am also pretty sure he invented the light bulb.

[quote name='SPY ZINGER' timestamp='1319658406' post='3722025']
This is the concept JP incorporates with his designs, moving the sweet spot toward the center of the clubface as well as altering CG.
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[Snufles]

I am also pretty sure he invented the light bulb.

 

This is the concept JP incorporates with his designs, moving the sweet spot toward the center of the clubface as well as altering CG.

 

[NJGolfer21]

I work with Mike Adams at Hamilton Farm Golf Club. Belen is one of Mike's Students and sees him regularly up here, along with a number of Futures tour players and q school qualifiers.

[SwingMan]

Lots of assumptions, some facts, and lots of pissin' on each other.

In other words, a typical thread.


BTW, do love my Edel Putter ... lol. Has saved me tons of money over three years by not having to buy another putter. My advice is if you can afford it, and your swing is consistent at a level you enjoy, get fit, even for wedges, but especially for a putter.

[duck hook]

[quote name='SwingMan' timestamp='1320152261' post='3745757']
Lots of assumptions, some facts, and lots of pissin' on each other.

In other words, a typical thread.


[b]BTW, do love my Edel Putter ... lol. Has saved me tons of money over three years by not having to buy another putter[/b]. My advice is if you can afford it, and your swing is consistent at a level you enjoy, get fit, even for wedges, but especially for a putter.
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+1

[Jwat]

Even if the designs are similar the grinds are different. What I mean by different is by each individuals swing. So if JP showed edel all his different grind secrets than that's his bad. Also edel doesn't admit to inventing the wheel when it comes to wedge fitting. They just were the first to put it all together and market it effectively. Blame JP, not edel.

[LPM]

[quote name='Jwat' timestamp='1320290889' post='3753203']
Even if the designs are similar the grinds are different. What I mean by different is by each individuals swing. So if JP showed edel all his different grind secrets than that's his bad. Also edel doesn't admit to inventing the wheel when it comes to wedge fitting. They just were the first to put it all together and market it effectively. Blame JP, not edel.
[/quote]well he was hired by them from my understanding so of course he would show them his best work, the wedges at the PGA show were done by JP

it looks like the current wedges are nice as well, even if it was done by someone other than JP

in my experience it is much easier to get exact grinds done by casting like Vokey does, he can fit his tour players and have the exact same grind, bounce angle, everything the same for all the wedges

I don't see how that is possible when doing wedge grinds by hand or individually, just my opinion

and unlike the two piece construction putters with a hooked face and unsolid feel these wedges look to be nice quality


I'll give one of these wedges a try and see what I think, they do appear nice