Ping S58 opinions

[ajdaddy]

Hi, want to hear from people either playing the S-58 or interested...am choosing between x-20 tour or s-58/i-10, and I have to say that I haven't gotten along real well with Callaway Pro-series irons in the past. My opinion is that they don't go through the turf right for me...a little too much bounce? Any thoughts? Leaning to the S-58 as it's more compact. The MPF seems pretty high as well, although that's the last thing I look at. How has everyone found the s-58 or the X-20 tour? How solid? Decent forgiveness? What type of trajectory? Thanks!

[Constantin]

Hi,

I am playing the S58s. I really love those sticks. I have Dynamic Gold S300 shafts in them and they deliver a mid-high trajectory (my standard ball flight). I can easily hit them lower if I need to, too. I haven't hit the I10s yet but would certainly love to do so. I just don't think they could be that much better to justify a switch from my S58s.

[ajdaddy]

Thanks, I appreciate the thoughts. I kind of felt that way as well. I don't know that the i10's are a quantum leap in forgiveness/playability from the S-58, and the 58's have a better look

[jimb]

Hit my S58 for the first time today. I got them about a month ago. The weather has been crumby in northeastern Pennsylvania and today was the first nice day in a while. Upper 40's and a light breeze. My come with ZZ65 and I am very pleased with them. Minimal offset. Soft feeling. Nice ball flight. Thin topline and relatively narrow sole. Beautiful sticks. You can't go wrong with these. Previously I owned Mizuno MP-32 and 60's.

[RedGripGuy]

I'm working on order a set right now, just 6-PW to start, but I've been hitting them for about 3 months. They're great looking clubs. They feel very solid yet soft at impact and they're fairly forgiving. I've tried the i10 and it may be a LITTLE more forgiving, but it can't match the feel of the S58. The one's I'm testing have DG S300s and the ball flight is pretty good, but I think I will do better with Project X 5.5.

[Choate51]

A month ago I went through the same problem, the S58 or the x-20 tours. For me the difference was in the long irons, the 3-5 irons were so much easier to hit with the cally's however I did like the feel of the short irons of the Pings. There was no real difference in performance imo. So it came down to what I felt would improve my game more. So you can't go wrong either way.

[omeletpants.]

The S58 are more workable and easier to hit than the X20- Tour. Trajectory on the s58 is surprisingly high. To me, the x20 tours seem clunky. From an aesthetic standpoint the x20 Tour have too much going on on the backs. Stay away from the CS Lite staff. Plays very soft and the ball doesn't go anywhere. These are better suited for something like the DG

[rybo]

ajdaddy,

I have been playing the S58's since the end of June and absolutely love them! Quite simply, they are the best irons I have played and there are not many irons I have not tried. They do everything extremely well. High, low, draw, fade, you name it they can do it. And they are surprisingly forgiving. I was playing a set of Cally X-Tours prior to these and while they were nice the accuracy and workability of the S58's is head and shoulders above the Cally's (at least for me).

Go with the S58's and get fitted properly. Not all Ping fitters are created equal! Some are much better than others. Ask around to see who is satisfied or call Ping to find out who in your area orders the most custom sets or who from your area has been to the week long Ping school at Ping. As a side note, I have personally witnessed many people fitting exactly into Pings fitting chart so if all else fails that probably is a good place to start. They fit for lie angle first and then length. It's different than most but works great.

[KarstenK]

I have played four rounds now with mine. Got mine off Ebay and have zz65's. My gamers are MP32's with S300 that I have played for the past year. The zz's feel a bit light for my taste. Trajectory is mid to mid high. I wish they had S300s in them. Overall they remind me of my 32's forgiveness-wise but with the cast/Ping feeling. They are nice, but I have not totally warmed up to them yet.

[NDIrish423]

I can't compare the S58 to the X20 Tour but I can give some input relative to the i10's. I'm like you in that I don't see a big difference in the i10 and the S58 and the S58 does look a little better, but I went with the i10 anyway.

I played most of this year with the X20 Tour and it is a fine club - solid, forgiving, and workable. I was also pleased with the Flighted Project X shaft. When the i10 came out I switched. The i10 is also a very good club, and I would have to say that overall I like it better. The X20's were certainly more forgiving in the long irons but the short irons always appeared a little bit too big and fat. The i10 has the advantage in the mid and short irons. I just feel like they are more playable from a variety of lies, especially very tight or thin lies. My i10's have the AWT shaft and I don't see a lot of difference in the trajectory compared to the X20's.

If you are going with one of Ping's shaft offerings, I would recommend the ZZ65 over the AWT especially in the S58 irons. I've had the ZZ65 in other Pings and IMO it's a better shaft than the AWT when it comes to controlling trajectory in the short irons.

[ChiGolf]

I've had mine for about 2 seasons now. They are my gamers, and I absolutely enjoy hitting them. Yes they fly high, but I can control the trajectory, and direction with fair ease. But, I can consistently hit my target area, with a minimum of dispersion. And isn't that the point of irons, to be accurate with them? Yes, the MBP is pretty high, for a players club.

I personally like the smaller head size, with a thin topline. One of the reasons, that Callaways turn me off - even if they are easy to swing.

But, if you're looking for a little bit more forgiveness, then you should go with the I10's. One thing to bear in mind, that with all the clubs you mentioned, that you will have to have a fairly consistent swing. It's hard to gauge, which would be more appropriate for you, since you didn't mention what your swing tendencies are or any general stats.

[Rhod]

I have tried both the S58's and I10's and IMHO the S58 is more forgiving and a great feeling iron

[tonys6]

For me, I got a set. Played it once. Bad for the arthritis in the hands. I am putting them up for sale tomorrow.

Great clubs, but for someone else.

[omeletpants.]

[quote name='uhs82' post='841431' date='Dec 29 2007, 08:31 PM']I can't compare the S58 to the X20 Tour but I can give some input relative to the i10's. I'm like you in that I don't see a big difference in the i10 and the S58 and the S58 does look a little better, but I went with the i10 anyway.

I played most of this year with the X20 Tour and it is a fine club - solid, forgiving, and workable. I was also pleased with the Flighted Project X shaft. When the i10 came out I switched. The i10 is also a very good club, and I would have to say that overall I like it better. The X20's were certainly more forgiving in the long irons but the short irons always appeared a little bit too big and fat. The i10 has the advantage in the mid and short irons. I just feel like they are more playable from a variety of lies, especially very tight or thin lies. My i10's have the AWT shaft and I don't see a lot of difference in the trajectory compared to the X20's.

If you are going with one of Ping's shaft offerings, I would recommend the ZZ65 over the AWT especially in the S58 irons. I've had the ZZ65 in other Pings and IMO it's a better shaft than the AWT when it comes to controlling trajectory in the short irons.[/quote]

The s58 and i10 are not similar irons

[307golf]

Elaborate please.

[Swoosh-Thud]

Anybody compared them to the S59? I've got those with Rifle 6.0 flighted. Absolutely love them.

[LSeca]

[quote name='ajdaddy' post='840931' date='Dec 29 2007, 11:12 AM']Leaning to the S-58 as it's more compact. The MPF seems pretty high as well, although that's the last thing I look at. How has everyone found the s-58 or the X-20 tour? How solid? Decent forgiveness? What type of trajectory? Thanks![/quote]

The S58 set are my first player-type iron, so my results may be diff than yours. Coming from a new set of ping G2 irons two years ago, I replaced them with a new set of S58 irons at the start of '07. For me, going from the very thick and large G2 set, I found the S58 to launch very low initially but very forgiving for the size (I was used to a super high G2 launch). Very easy to hit, especially for the size/less offset, as I had very little issues making the transition. I love these irons, they frame the ball so well, give me confidence about certain shots I need and they look and wear fantastic.

[ChiGolf]

[quote name='omeletpants.' post='841524' date='Dec 29 2007, 05:56 PM'][quote name='uhs82' post='841431' date='Dec 29 2007, 08:31 PM']I can't compare the S58 to the X20 Tour but I can give some input relative to the i10's. I'm like you in that I don't see a big difference in the i10 and the S58 and the S58 does look a little better, but I went with the i10 anyway.

I played most of this year with the X20 Tour and it is a fine club - solid, forgiving, and workable. I was also pleased with the Flighted Project X shaft. When the i10 came out I switched. The i10 is also a very good club, and I would have to say that overall I like it better. The X20's were certainly more forgiving in the long irons but the short irons always appeared a little bit too big and fat. The i10 has the advantage in the mid and short irons. I just feel like they are more playable from a variety of lies, especially very tight or thin lies. My i10's have the AWT shaft and I don't see a lot of difference in the trajectory compared to the X20's.

If you are going with one of Ping's shaft offerings, I would recommend the ZZ65 over the AWT especially in the S58 irons. I've had the ZZ65 in other Pings and IMO it's a better shaft than the AWT when it comes to controlling trajectory in the short irons.[/quote]

The s58 and i10 are not similar irons
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[quote name='307golf' post='841586' date='Dec 29 2007, 06:53 PM']Elaborate please.[/quote]

Gotta agree with Omletpants. The S58's are not similiar to the I10's. Not really sure, if it's necessary, to elaborate. Visually, they look very different.[list]
[*]S58's have a smaller head, than the I10's.
[*]S58's still have offset, but it's minimal compared to the I10's.
[*]The S58's have a thinner sole than the I10's, so they'll play differently out of the rough, or tight fairways. It depends on someone's swing tendencies (i.e. sweeper, or a divot taker).
[*]And even though they both have CTP's in the back cavities, the ball feels differently when it comes off the club.
[/list]I forgot what irons I used to take these pics, I think a 5 iron.
Ping S58's
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Ping I10's
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[greenmachine0227]

I hit many irons (including the X-20's) before settling on the s58's with the Rifles (love the Rifles- can't imagine playing a set without them). The thing that I like the best about the 58's is their versatility. For a standard shot they launch the ball with a mid to mid-high trajectory. They can then easily be used to hit a lower flighted shot that hardly loses any distance. If you are looking to be able to shape shots I would highly recommend them. I have never really been a Callway fan though. I find that their iron heads are so big that they are distracting.

[omeletpants.]

[quote name='ChiGolf' post='841841' date='Dec 30 2007, 04:09 AM'][quote name='omeletpants.' post='841524' date='Dec 29 2007, 05:56 PM'][quote name='uhs82' post='841431' date='Dec 29 2007, 08:31 PM']I can't compare the S58 to the X20 Tour but I can give some input relative to the i10's. I'm like you in that I don't see a big difference in the i10 and the S58 and the S58 does look a little better, but I went with the i10 anyway.

I played most of this year with the X20 Tour and it is a fine club - solid, forgiving, and workable. I was also pleased with the Flighted Project X shaft. When the i10 came out I switched. The i10 is also a very good club, and I would have to say that overall I like it better. The X20's were certainly more forgiving in the long irons but the short irons always appeared a little bit too big and fat. The i10 has the advantage in the mid and short irons. I just feel like they are more playable from a variety of lies, especially very tight or thin lies. My i10's have the AWT shaft and I don't see a lot of difference in the trajectory compared to the X20's.

If you are going with one of Ping's shaft offerings, I would recommend the ZZ65 over the AWT especially in the S58 irons. I've had the ZZ65 in other Pings and IMO it's a better shaft than the AWT when it comes to controlling trajectory in the short irons.[/quote]

The s58 and i10 are not similar irons
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[quote name='307golf' post='841586' date='Dec 29 2007, 06:53 PM']Elaborate please.[/quote]

Gotta agree with Omletpants. The S58's are not similiar to the I10's. Not really sure, if it's necessary, to elaborate. Visually, they look very different.[list]
[*]S58's have a smaller head, than the I10's.
[*]S58's still have offset, but it's minimal compared to the I10's.
[*]The S58's have a thinner sole than the I10's, so they'll play differently out of the rough, or tight fairways. It depends on someone's swing tendencies (i.e. sweeper, or a divot taker).
[*]And even though they both have CTP's in the back cavities, the ball feels differently when it comes off the club.
[/list]I forgot what irons I used to take these pics, I think a 5 iron.
Ping S58's
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Ping I10's
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[/quote]

Nice comparison. I would add that the hosel on the i10 is thicker which is consistent with the look of the rest of the head and as you mentioned the s58 do feel softer at impact.

From a playability standpoint they are similar irons and I'm surprised more people aren't playing s58s. I think this has a lot to do with club pros and sales people steering their customers away from them without understanding the club. In my case, our head pros had demos of every Ping iron except the s58 and s59 and didn't know much about either. I had to go off and demo on my own then give him my order. Overall, because the s58 is so easy to hit I think the s58 and i10 serve the same market. The customers just don't know it

[SPY ZINGER]

I was between these two set at this time last year. Went with Callaway because of the forgiveness in the longer irons. However, I really like the feel and look of the Pings as well. THe X-20's have been in my bag for an entire season now, and I am not disappointed whatsoever.

[mcon22]

I played my first round with the X-20 Tours yesterday, and they were better than I'd even hoped they'd be. Forgiving, a little bit longer than my previous irons, and easy to hit with a variety of trajectories. Played with temporary tees/greens so the course was playing shorter and easier than usual, but I shot a 77. To be fair, with regulation tees and greens, it probably would have been more like an 85 or so, but regardless, it was the best ball-striking round I've ever had, by far.

[lbhitter]

[quote name='ChiGolf' post='841841' date='Dec 30 2007, 03:09 AM'][quote name='omeletpants.' post='841524' date='Dec 29 2007, 05:56 PM'][quote name='uhs82' post='841431' date='Dec 29 2007, 08:31 PM']I can't compare the S58 to the X20 Tour but I can give some input relative to the i10's. I'm like you in that I don't see a big difference in the i10 and the S58 and the S58 does look a little better, but I went with the i10 anyway.

I played most of this year with the X20 Tour and it is a fine club - solid, forgiving, and workable. I was also pleased with the Flighted Project X shaft. When the i10 came out I switched. The i10 is also a very good club, and I would have to say that overall I like it better. The X20's were certainly more forgiving in the long irons but the short irons always appeared a little bit too big and fat. The i10 has the advantage in the mid and short irons. I just feel like they are more playable from a variety of lies, especially very tight or thin lies. My i10's have the AWT shaft and I don't see a lot of difference in the trajectory compared to the X20's.

If you are going with one of Ping's shaft offerings, I would recommend the ZZ65 over the AWT especially in the S58 irons. I've had the ZZ65 in other Pings and IMO it's a better shaft than the AWT when it comes to controlling trajectory in the short irons.[/quote]

The s58 and i10 are not similar irons
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[quote name='307golf' post='841586' date='Dec 29 2007, 06:53 PM']Elaborate please.[/quote]

Gotta agree with Omletpants. The S58's are not similiar to the I10's. Not really sure, if it's necessary, to elaborate. Visually, they look very different.[list]
[*]S58's have a smaller head, than the I10's.
[*]S58's still have offset, but it's minimal compared to the I10's.
[*]The S58's have a thinner sole than the I10's, so they'll play differently out of the rough, or tight fairways. It depends on someone's swing tendencies (i.e. sweeper, or a divot taker).
[*]And even though they both have CTP's in the back cavities, the ball feels differently when it comes off the club.
[/list]I forgot what irons I used to take these pics, I think a 5 iron.
Ping S58's
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Ping I10's
[attachment=202029:PING_I10_resize.jpg]
[/quote]

I would take a look at the offset numbers on Pings website if I was you. The biggest difference in offset noted is .02" in the long irons and .01" in the short irons -- 1/100 of an inch is hardly notable.

I do agree that they are very different irons.[list]
[*]I10 have a slighly wider sole with a more blunt leading edge. They dig less than the S58s.
[*]The S58s sole has less camber, much better for a shallow angle of attack.
[*]I10s have more of a cavity and toe weight for added forgiveness.
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LB

[ajdaddy]

Thanks for all of the input! That's why this board is the best! Leaning toward S-58 as I tend to approach the ball more inside-out (shallower), and while the offset is pretty much equal, the i10's have a little more of the offset look toward the hosel. it looks a little more 'hooky',if that makes any sense. For me, that's kind of a deal breaker. Still, I'll look at both, you have to see it from the playing position. And not to reiterate, but I think that the Pings go through the turf better. And I want to like Callaway, as I love the customer service! Ah well...I almost agree with the guy looking for club buying Viagra...there's nothing out there that makes you go Whoa! I need that!

[BogeyTrain]

[quote name='fcavallo' post='841605' date='Dec 29 2007, 10:11 PM']Anybody compared them to the S59? I've got those with Rifle 6.0 flighted. Absolutely love them.[/quote]


also interested in a comparison to the S59's.

[lbhitter]

[quote name='dukesweb' post='843018' date='Dec 31 2007, 01:41 AM']Never liked the look of any Callaway iron. I demo'd the s58 and play the i10. Offset is very minimal between these 2 clubs. Overall, the s58's look better with the hosel and smaller sole, etc. but for me the i10's were a bit more forgiving and had a much better feel. The s58's felt harsh to me. Both are excellent clubs no matter which you choose.[/quote]

Dukesweb
Got to agree with you on your assessment of feel. I have identical S58 and I10 6 irons, with ZZ65 Cushin Shafts in both of them for comparison. I thought the I10 felt much softer than the S58. S58 had a much firmer feeling when struck well.

LB

[lowdrive]

There are some single S58 6 irons floating around on ebay, recently. I bought one a couple of weeks ago to test. It is being shipped back to ping to get to a maroon lie setting. My need for a more upright lie position severely limits me on testing out of a cart, especially with the S58, as you have detailed. I might also reshaft it, to try out additional shafts.

[Phocus]

I just ordered the S58's after extensively hitting X-20, I-10, I-5, and other demo irons. The S58's feel the best to me, and I hit them a little better than the I-10's.

[Mr.I302]

Well I played my 3 round with my S-58's this past Sat(and I have had no range and or practice time)...and needless to say I am very happy with my decision to go with the S-58's. They feel better than my X-forged and I know they are also more forgiving.....in my opinion you cant go wrong with these clubs and I kick myself for not trying them sooner.

[wolverine318]

Im pretty sure these will be my next set of sticks, im just trying to find a good spot to demo some. The simulators just dont cut it. And besides going to GG and having the guy tell me to hit the G10 in silver dot +1.5 makes me laugh. If i wanted the g10 id hit it, but its a totally different club from the s58 dork. These guys are trash. Time to pick up a demo 6 on ebay and give it a whirl