Slicefixer...Can you explain your takeaway?

[slicefixer]

Slice, you continue to impress. I have struggled mightily with the takeaway in my transition from a slinging to a rotary swing. I have been battling hard against pulling back to the inside, turning with the arms pegged to the chest, and getting all out of whack (sometimes laid-off...other times shut and over the line). What felt better was to consciously think about creating a very slight "separation" or lift of the arms as the body rotates back. (Hence, what felt like my good swings was as you described, but I thought I was just putting a band aid on some other unknown problem, which I usually attributed to rotating forearms...but that was a double compound error most of the time). I was thinking "oh no, that can't possibly be right, cause I'm losing the connection of the arms and the core..." The thing is, when I feel that slight separation, as you clearly describe, the downswing is effortless and automatic without feeling like I am struggling to keep arms and club reasonably synched up. Thanks for this post! I feel like this has been a true missing link in my understanding.

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

Your most welcome Tim.......glad to help my friend! I'd FAR prefer to focus on and work on what your describing then NOT have to think one iota in the transition/downswing rather than NOT think about much in the backswing and be FORCED to think during the transition/downswing.........and, once you get the backswing armswing/pivot ingrained you don't even have to think much, if any at all, in the backswing......... :)

[KOC]

I teach an armswing that's SLIGHTLY more upright/steeper than the shoulders/core is winding upon........tha arms ends up on a plane that is SLIGHTLY more upright than the shoulder plane.........Hardy would call it "2 plane" I guess, but, I don't really care as the DOWNswing ends up being a LOT easier, more consistent, and more powerful than his 1plane stuff and requires NO manipulation (right arm throwovers) in transition and is MUCH more true to Mr. Hogan.......

 

The thing is, when I feel that slight separation, as you clearly describe, the downswing is effortless and automatic without feeling like I am struggling to keep arms and club reasonably synched up. Thanks for this post! I feel like this has been a true missing link in my understanding.

 

Sir SF,

 

Is that the core to swing the arm in more "upright" position?

[slicefixer]

I teach an armswing that's SLIGHTLY more upright/steeper than the shoulders/core is winding upon........tha arms ends up on a plane that is SLIGHTLY more upright than the shoulder plane.........Hardy would call it "2 plane" I guess, but, I don't really care as the DOWNswing ends up being a LOT easier, more consistent, and more powerful than his 1plane stuff and requires NO manipulation (right arm throwovers) in transition and is MUCH more true to Mr. Hogan.......

 

The thing is, when I feel that slight separation, as you clearly describe, the downswing is effortless and automatic without feeling like I am struggling to keep arms and club reasonably synched up. Thanks for this post! I feel like this has been a true missing link in my understanding.

 

Sir SF,

 

Is that the core to swing the arm in more "upright" position?

 

The goal is to keep the arms from getting behind the body resulting in the right elbow getting behind the "right side" of the body......when the arms/club get behind the body in the downswing the arms/club are being "dragged" by the rotation of the core and will not be "in position" when the body IS "in position" to strike the ball......you can swing the arms a bit flatter IF you keep them away from the body ("wide"), but, most don't do this........they end up with the arms "behind," "narrow," and "trapped" behind the body.......grip it strong enough and you can still manage to hit it fairly solid, but, you'll be a low ball player with a tendency to fade it......."wipes and pulls" are also a strong possibility........I prefer to see the arms/hands/butt in position so that they can be PULLED "DOWNplane" and then AROUND without ANY manipulation by either of them.......when you learn to do this you can work the ball both ways and trajectory is not a problem........YOU choose it and then just "wind up and let it go"...... :)

[Dariusz J.]

The goal is to keep the arms from getting behind the body resulting in the right elbow getting behind the "right side" of the body......when the arms/club get behind the body in the downswing the arms/club are being "dragged" by the rotation of the core and will not be "in position" when the body IS "in position" to strike the ball......you can swing the arms a bit flatter IF you keep them away from the body ("wide"), but, most don't do this........they end up with the arms "behind," "narrow," and "trapped" behind the body.......grip it strong enough and you can still manage to hit it fairly solid, but, you'll be a low ball player with a tendency to fade it......."wipes and pulls" are also a strong possibility........I prefer to see the arms/hands/butt in position so that they can be PULLED "DOWNplane" and then AROUND without ANY manipulation by either of them.......when you learn to do this you can work the ball both ways and trajectory is not a problem........YOU choose it and then just "wind up and let it go"...... :man_in_love:

 

 

Geoff, shortly, would you agree with the statement that the best takeaway motion will lead the shaft on the right forearm plane until waist high at least ? I am now in the search of "the automatic backswing" concept, since "the automatic downswing" concept is fairly easy to execute when following Hogan's swing principles.

The most important issue is to ingrain the proper motion of the wrists, IMHO. You neither want to **** them too soon/late nor to turn the forearms clockwise too soon/late. What are your visualization of a properly executed takeaway that gives you the position at the top automatically, without any not necessary "subconscious" moves aimed at plane changes ?

 

Cheers

[dfw1500]

Dariusz,

 

If you start everything away together and keep the toe of the club on the ball to target line as you are winding the torso back as the club reaches 8 o'clock the club will start to move upwards as the left qrist cocks the club up and the right wrist starts to work back....from here you are able to continue turning the body as the left forearm rotates and takes the club back deep and in synch with your pivot. :man_in_love:

 

The backswing will feel very natyural if done like this.....but if you have a tendacy to get too steep then you need to feel the rotation earlier if you get it more rounded then you need to feel the wrist set steeper.

 

I personally have a tendancy to over rotate the forearms after a good 1st move so i feel a steeper wrist set and have the sensation of the toe of the club working up this gets me back bang on plane........if you have a good pivot then holding the angle and the creases in the left wrists as you allow the core to wind back as the butt of the club moves in and the head is out will get you in a great natural set position and take you to the top without any subconsciious moves and keep the arms in synch with your pivot.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers Dan

[Dariusz J.]

Dan, all very good thoughts, however, a bit too much complicated in order to work out an "automatic" takeaway. Will take them definitely into account when diggin' in the dirt.

What I want is a stable correlation between left shoulder action, left wrist **** and forearms rotation that will guarantee a perfect position on the top in a OP swing that would consequently guarantee no plane shift at transition. As you see, I want to be better than Mr.Hogan...:man_in_love:

 

Cheers

[Furrankee]

Dan, all very good thoughts, however, a bit too much complicated in order to work out an "automatic" takeaway. Will take them definitely into account when diggin' in the dirt.

What I want is a stable correlation between left shoulder action, left wrist **** and forearms rotation that will guarantee a perfect position on the top in a OP swing that would consequently guarantee no plane shift at transition. As you see, I want to be better than Mr.Hogan... :man_in_love:

 

Cheers

 

Darius, do you mind posting a video of your swing? You seem to know a lot. I want to see how your swing is.

[Dariusz J.]

Thank you, but I am afraid you will be disappointed - I am more a swing theoretician than a player...

 

I will do it as soon as winter go away - I am not a fan of indoor swing vids. My and my son's last year swing vids (some of attempts aimed at various thoughts) are available at my YouTube channel. I need to post after-winter swings of us both though since there are some important changes that we both introduced during our 5-month break this winter...and we both will be anxious for SliceFixer's advices.

 

Darn, I am missing the smell of real grass so much now...:man_in_love:

 

Cheers

[slicefixer]

email me Dariusz....... :man_in_love:

[dminn23]

Thank you, but I am afraid you will be disappointed - I am more a swing theoretician than a player...

 

I will do it as soon as winter go away - I am not a fan of indoor swing vids. My and my son's last year swing vids (some of attempts aimed at various thoughts) are available at my YouTube channel. I need to post after-winter swings of us both though since there are some important changes that we both introduced during our 5-month break this winter...and we both will be anxious for SliceFixer's advices.

 

Darn, I am missing the smell of real grass so much now...:man_in_love:

 

Cheers

 

 

Nothing wrong with being a fan of swing theory, its fun!

 

As far as missing the smell of grass....we all are in the colder climates bud. Ohio is just ughhhh.