Adams Tour Issue

7D2 · December 26, 2010

How to determine?

Are all the Adams tour issue clubs even lofts? If not, how can you tell if it is actually tour issue?

In particularly the Super Hybrid

Yarra · December 26, 2010

I have only seen 1 tour issue Super Hybrid (the one I owned) and it has a .335 hosel size.

jrk14 · December 28, 2010

my tour issue pro black hybrid had no serial number, which is what the seller told me identified it as tour issue.

CallawayKid86 · January 24, 2014

I would be interested to know this as well. I have what are said to be tour issue Super 9031 and Super DHy. Both were .370 hosel and neither have serial numbers.

speeder717 · January 24, 2014

I have been curious as well, how are all of these shops carrying "tour issue" product, can any account get these goods now, I don't get it.

brent · January 24, 2014

I don't think there is any difference when it comes to the majority of Adams stuff. I know a lot of sellers have the special account. I forgot what they call it and they can get things like the lsp, and other stuff that I guess is tour issue.

LongIslandBirdie · January 24, 2014

Its really funny how many people sell stuff saying its Adams Tour Issue, Basically all that means is they have a Adams pro account and are ordering the heads only and then passing them off as Tour Issue on Ebay or where ever. So if you buy a so Called "Tour Issue" Adams head its just sent from the factory to the account as head only. Only time I would believe it is truly a tour head is when it is something that is not available retail.

NFD · January 24, 2014

My understanding is that Adams does not use tour issue serial numbers like Taylormade. If its listed as tour issue; then I hope you buy it from a reputable seller of tour issue items.

CallawayKid86 · January 24, 2014

That is kind of what I figured. I know when TM first took over Adams, they released the Speedline Tech driver and tour issue had the T serial number like TM. Figured they would keep with that system, but it doesn't really look like they have been.

MadGolfer76 · January 24, 2014

Ha, it will be truer to stated loft and probably launch lower than the average eBay'er is expecting.

speeder717 · January 24, 2014

So "pro" accounts have access to head only stuff? Nothing more then that?

Mob · January 24, 2014

I actually just order an Adams driver XTD head from a club maker with an Adams account. The tour issue head, just like any other OEM, has been checked to make sure it is closer to spec than the retail head. The only other difference he said is that the head is heavier. This makes it easier to build the club and get the swing weight where most pros or low handicappers want it. The tour issue head is about $70 more, so you are basically paying to make sure that your 9 degree head is close to 9 degrees, lie angle is spot on, and you don't get a light head. Nothing magical here, just paying for them to sort through all the heads and find the ones closest to spec.

speeder717 · January 24, 2014

That is irritatating that retailers would try to pass those off as tour issue!

MadGolfer76 · January 24, 2014

[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390606548' post='8526199']
I actually just order an Adams driver XTD head from a club maker with an Adams account. The tour issue head, just like any other OEM, has been checked to make sure it is closer to spec than the retail head. The only other difference he said is that the head is heavier. This makes it easier to build the club and get the swing weight where most pros or low handicappers want it. The tour issue head is about $70 more, so you are basically paying to make sure that your 9 degree head is close to 9 degrees, lie angle is spot on, and you don't get a light head. Nothing magical here, just paying for them to sort through all the heads and find the ones closest to spec.
[/quote]

The irony is that a customer would be paying them to receive a head that is actually spec'd as advertised. I always thought that was kind of disingenuous.

Mob · January 24, 2014

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1390620428' post='8527463']
[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390606548' post='8526199']
I actually just order an Adams driver XTD head from a club maker with an Adams account. The tour issue head, just like any other OEM, has been checked to make sure it is closer to spec than the retail head. The only other difference he said is that the head is heavier. This makes it easier to build the club and get the swing weight where most pros or low handicappers want it. The tour issue head is about $70 more, so you are basically paying to make sure that your 9 degree head is close to 9 degrees, lie angle is spot on, and you don't get a light head. Nothing magical here, just paying for them to sort through all the heads and find the ones closest to spec.
[/quote]

The irony is that a customer would be paying them to receive a head that is actually spec'd as advertised. I always thought that was kind of disingenuous.
[/quote]

I agree kind of ridiculous, but I guess the tolerances for a mass produced item in China can only be so good. That's part of the reason why Japanese clubs cost more.

MadGolfer76 · January 24, 2014

[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390620748' post='8527509']
[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1390620428' post='8527463']
[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390606548' post='8526199']
I actually just order an Adams driver XTD head from a club maker with an Adams account. The tour issue head, just like any other OEM, has been checked to make sure it is closer to spec than the retail head. The only other difference he said is that the head is heavier. This makes it easier to build the club and get the swing weight where most pros or low handicappers want it. The tour issue head is about $70 more, so you are basically paying to make sure that your 9 degree head is close to 9 degrees, lie angle is spot on, and you don't get a light head. Nothing magical here, just paying for them to sort through all the heads and find the ones closest to spec.
[/quote]

The irony is that a customer would be paying them to receive a head that is actually spec'd as advertised. I always thought that was kind of disingenuous.
[/quote]

I agree kind of ridiculous, but I guess the tolerances for a mass produced item in China can only be so good. That's part of the reason why Japanese clubs cost more.
[/quote]

Are the tolerances tighter for JDM? Didn't know that. Anyway, I think I read somewhere that (at one point) the tightest tolerances for any domestic, commercially available line of golf clubs was Golfsmith's Snake Eyes component line. If true, I find that hilarious.

(and it isn't a knock on SE either)

Mob · January 25, 2014

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1390623526' post='8527719']
[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390620748' post='8527509']
[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1390620428' post='8527463']
[quote name='Mob' timestamp='1390606548' post='8526199']
I actually just order an Adams driver XTD head from a club maker with an Adams account. The tour issue head, just like any other OEM, has been checked to make sure it is closer to spec than the retail head. The only other difference he said is that the head is heavier. This makes it easier to build the club and get the swing weight where most pros or low handicappers want it. The tour issue head is about $70 more, so you are basically paying to make sure that your 9 degree head is close to 9 degrees, lie angle is spot on, and you don't get a light head. Nothing magical here, just paying for them to sort through all the heads and find the ones closest to spec.
[/quote]

The irony is that a customer would be paying them to receive a head that is actually spec'd as advertised. I always thought that was kind of disingenuous.
[/quote]

I agree kind of ridiculous, but I guess the tolerances for a mass produced item in China can only be so good. That's part of the reason why Japanese clubs cost more.
[/quote]

Are the tolerances tighter for JDM? Didn't know that. Anyway, I think I read somewhere that (at one point) the tightest tolerances for any domestic, commercially available line of golf clubs was Golfsmith's Snake Eyes component line. If true, I find that hilarious.

(and it isn't a knock on SE either)
[/quote]

Oh yes, the JDM gear is fairly exact. My Epon iron heads were sent with a sticker that showed the spec weight for each head, and then the exact weight of each head to the tenth of a gram. Driver head face angles are within 3/10ths of a degree while US heads can be within 1 1/2 degrees. Obviously that degree of accuracy requires more cost to manufacture, which is part of the reason it costs more. If you look at the Adams XTD driver, they are emulating the Japanese build process, which is how they can get these heads so close to the max COR without exceeding it.