Hogan didn't know what how he really released?

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[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346349672' post='5561423']
[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346296322' post='5558779']

You think that's the intent as well, snap release? With his #2 (lag) and #3 (pronation) would it not be too late?
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#2 is left wrist c0ck, which is not the same as lag, although he does have a lot of #2 accumulator lag, which is what a snap release is all about. #3 is not pronation, but rather, Throwout, which is the left flying wedge moving off plane after the left wrist starts unc0cking, enabling the sweetspot to get to the ball. It has a power contribution, but is primarily a delivery mechanism in TGM, and has nothing to do with rotating the left forearm.
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I know. I meant more lag would mean more #2 action during release and more pronation in BS would mean more #3 action during release, right?

Wouldn't you have to release earlier the more #3 action you would have? So snap release (later release) would mean an uncompleted release of #3, hence a still open face at impact?

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346383244' post='5564139']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346349672' post='5561423']
[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346296322' post='5558779']
You think that's the intent as well, snap release? With his #2 (lag) and #3 (pronation) would it not be too late?
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#2 is left wrist c0ck, which is not the same as lag, although he does have a lot of #2 accumulator lag, which is what a snap release is all about. #3 is not pronation, but rather, Throwout, which is the left flying wedge moving off plane after the left wrist starts unc0cking, enabling the sweetspot to get to the ball. It has a power contribution, but is primarily a delivery mechanism in TGM, and has nothing to do with rotating the left forearm.
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I know. I meant more lag would mean more #2 action during release and [b]more pronation in BS would mean more #3 action during release, right?[/b]

Wouldn't you have to release earlier the more #3 action you would have? So[b] snap release (later release) would mean an uncompleted release of #3[/b], hence a still open face at impact?
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Rotating the left wrist(pronating) on the BS has no bearing on the amount of #3 angle when Throwout starts after the onset of release. Throwout can start anytime after release starts, but never precedes uncocking, so the later the release point, the later Throwout starts. Snap releasing doesn't mean incomplete release of #3 at all, but Throwout has to happen very quickly the later the release is.

[Timanator]

I am thinking Hogan did those drills to hit the ball in the demonstrations. In the Keller video where he showed off the slow swing it was correct in his sequences, and he did this without a ball.

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[quote name='Timanator' timestamp='1346454215' post='5568097']
I am thinking Hogan did those drills to hit the ball in the demonstrations. In the Keller video where he showed off the slow swing it was correct in his sequences, and he did this without a ball.
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Good point. Imagine Hogan shanking or toe-ing or whiffing the ball in slow-mo...lol...in front of a big crowd...lol

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[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346434317' post='5566539']

Rotating the left wrist(pronating) on the BS has no bearing on the amount of #3 angle when Throwout starts after the onset of release. Throwout can start anytime after release starts, but never precedes uncocking, so the later the release point, the later Throwout starts. Snap releasing doesn't mean incomplete release of #3 at all, but Throwout has to happen very quickly the later the release is.
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Thanks MJ.

What I cannot fully understand yet is the TGM concept that #2 should always precede #3. What will happen if #3 precedes #2? Is this physically even possible?

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346462566' post='5568753']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346434317' post='5566539']

Rotating the left wrist(pronating) on the BS has no bearing on the amount of #3 angle when Throwout starts after the onset of release. Throwout can start anytime after release starts, but never precedes uncocking, so the later the release point, the later Throwout starts. Snap releasing doesn't mean incomplete release of #3 at all, but Throwout has to happen very quickly the later the release is.
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Thanks MJ.

What I cannot fully understand yet is the TGM concept that #2 should always precede #3. What will happen if #3 precedes #2? Is this physically even possible?
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The club head would pop out over the plane, giving you an out to in club head path.

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346518372' post='5571027']
[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346462566' post='5568753']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346434317' post='5566539']
Rotating the left wrist(pronating) on the BS has no bearing on the amount of #3 angle when Throwout starts after the onset of release. Throwout can start anytime after release starts, but never precedes uncocking, so the later the release point, the later Throwout starts. Snap releasing doesn't mean incomplete release of #3 at all, but Throwout has to happen very quickly the later the release is.
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Thanks MJ.

What I cannot fully understand yet is the TGM concept that #2 should always precede #3. What will happen if #3 precedes #2? Is this physically even possible?
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The club head would pop out over the plane, giving you an out to in club head path.
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Can't that be solved by going down to the elbow plane either at startdown or during the downswing (TGM def, after startdown) itself?

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346522554' post='5571241']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346518372' post='5571027']
The club head would pop out over the plane, giving you an out to in club head path.
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Can't that be solved by going down to the elbow plane either at startdown or during the downswing (TGM def, after startdown) itself?
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Uncocking is a downward club head motion. If you start moving the left flying wedge off plane before uncocking starts, you won't have enough downward clubhead movement and speed, and won't be able to arrive at impact with the left wrist flat, level(partially uncocked), and vertical.

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346527335' post='5571493']
[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1346522554' post='5571241']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1346518372' post='5571027']
The club head would pop out over the plane, giving you an out to in club head path.
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Can't that be solved by going down to the elbow plane either at startdown or during the downswing (TGM def, after startdown) itself?
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Uncocking is a downward club head motion. If you start moving the left flying wedge off plane before uncocking starts, you won't have enough downward clubhead movement and speed, and won't be able to arrive at impact with the left wrist flat, level(partially uncocked), and vertical.
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With Hogan's amount of #3 loaded on top (back of L hand parallel to his spine, not plane), his clubhead would be left behind waaaay too much. The way I see it, right after start down, Hogan is already INTENDING releasing #3 on his way down continuously without ever releasing #2 (as shown by his lag). Then when extension begins to take its effect, the #2 is released in addition to the already releasing #3. #3 release just doesn't visually show as much because of his lag serving like a spring preventing or slowing down the L flying wedge and #3 from releasing.

I think the key is how to get down the L flying wedge vertically to elbow plane while rotating the L flying wedge. Commence moving it vertically in start down, DS and up to start of release/P5.5-ish. The extension. The Hogan pivot.

And I don't think Hogan didn't know his release at all...

As pointed out by Timanator above, check this Fr. Keller video at near the end where Hogan does a concentration drill/slow mo swing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXYWhqA50w8&t=8m3s