Relationship of trailing knee to hands at impact

[MadGolfer76]

Your thoughts?

 

Almost like he is trying to point his knee at the ball, or have the hands reach impact along with the knee (pointed approximately at impact). Not exact, however...

 

Here is one we have all seen:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOeznbPO88&NR=1&feature=endscreen

[svsvincenzo]

The Jody Vasquez Hogan secret...just a way to properly move the hips, specifically the R hip...because of the resulting hip movement (continues, never stalls), the hands are being tagged along...figuring out how to use the 3 R hands with that going on is a pain though...lol

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1345517689' post='5507370']
The Jody Vasquez Hogan secret...just a way to properly move the hips, specifically the R hip...because of the resulting hip movement (continues, never stalls), the hands are being tagged along...figuring out how to use the 3 R hands with that going on is a pain though...lol
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Is that what it is about? I am not really a secret-chaser (too fat to swing like him, lol), but I like looking at Hogan's swing for points of reference. Just noticed that he almost tries to "hit the ball with his knee" and that the hands and knee align approximately at impact on nearly every shot I have seen him hit on video, or at least the knee points to the position of the hands at impact. Something along those lines. Haven't read Vasquez apart from hearing that something with the knee is the supposed secret. Meh, whatever works.

[svsvincenzo]

Vasquez said in his book that Hogan thinks about running the R knee into the ball. The more power/distance he needs, the faster the R knee runs. Tied in with the Hogan hip turn to start the transition/DS, for me this just means the lower body/hips really are leading all the way. The R knee must cooperate though. Otherwise, the R hip will be "left behind", which IMO will cause the R hip to jut out more towards the target line rather than towards the target/ball, which will fark up what Hogan wants with the the hips---turn and lateral motion forward to transfer the weight from the R to the L foot, and at hands hip height (end of transition) the belt buckle is already inline with the ball (which is on the L heel) and the hips are already open. Hogan said the hips lead all the way, and post-impact the hips are square, meaning the R hip is already inline or past the L hip. IMO, these things won't happen if the R knee move doesn't happen as Vasquez said.

Careful with these hip actions though. If you are turning your shoulders more level rather than more vertical, you will get the arms/hands/club jutting out instead of going down near the R hip/leg/elbow plane.

[JBOMB808]

I like the concept of this thread. I cannot agree enough about the relationship of the trailing leg and the hands at the moment of truth(impact).

[MizunoJoe]

Looks to me like he throws his whole right thigh, not just the knee.

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1345522254' post='5507754']
Vasquez said in his book that Hogan thinks about running the R knee into the ball. The more power/distance he needs, the faster the R knee runs. Tied in with the Hogan hip turn to start the transition/DS, for me this just means the lower body/hips really are leading all the way. The R knee must cooperate though. Otherwise, the R hip will be "left behind", [b]which IMO will cause the R hip to jut out more towards the target line rather than towards the target/ball, which will fark up what Hogan wants with the the hips-[/b]--turn and lateral motion forward to transfer the weight from the R to the L foot, and at hands hip height (end of transition) the belt buckle is already inline with the ball (which is on the L heel) and the hips are already open. Hogan said the hips lead all the way, and post-impact the hips are square, meaning the R hip is already inline or past the L hip. IMO, these things won't happen if the R knee move doesn't happen as Vasquez said.

[b]Careful with these hip actions though. If you are turning your shoulders more level rather than more vertical, you will get the arms/hands/club jutting out instead of going down near the R hip/leg/elbow plane[/b].
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If you don't mind, could you elaborate? Having trouble visualizing.

Thanks!

edit: in the first part, are you saying the hips are not turning enough? Pointing behind the ball and not at the ball?

[drewspin]

Those photos are not all the same swing... Just sayin'

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='drewspin' timestamp='1345600661' post='5513244']
Those photos are not all the same swing... Just sayin'
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What, you mean that sprinkler jumping around in the background was set to "random?" lol

Just fast forward to 0:26 and pause, if that helps.

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1345597462' post='5512860']
[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1345522254' post='5507754']
Vasquez said in his book that Hogan thinks about running the R knee into the ball. The more power/distance he needs, the faster the R knee runs. Tied in with the Hogan hip turn to start the transition/DS, for me this just means the lower body/hips really are leading all the way. The R knee must cooperate though. Otherwise, the R hip will be "left behind", [b]which IMO will cause the R hip to jut out more towards the target line rather than towards the target/ball, which will fark up what Hogan wants with the the hips-[/b]--turn and lateral motion forward to transfer the weight from the R to the L foot, and at hands hip height (end of transition) the belt buckle is already inline with the ball (which is on the L heel) and the hips are already open. Hogan said the hips lead all the way, and post-impact the hips are square, meaning the R hip is already inline or past the L hip. IMO, these things won't happen if the R knee move doesn't happen as Vasquez said.

[b]Careful with these hip actions though. If you are turning your shoulders more level rather than more vertical, you will get the arms/hands/club jutting out instead of going down near the R hip/leg/elbow plane[/b].
[/quote]

If you don't mind, could you elaborate? Having trouble visualizing.

Thanks!

edit: in the first part, are you saying the hips are not turning enough? Pointing behind the ball and not at the ball?
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If you think turn hips in transition without having the R knee to move towards the target like what Vasquez said (in contrast to targetline), your R hip will jut out towards the targetline instead of targetwards. That will "throw" your arms and hands and clubhead out instead of down.