The golf ball is not a heavy weight...

[Swingman420]

Yes great athletes supply tremendous speed when utilizing the swinging motion. Yes a lot of muscle absolutely. As long as you apply power properly have at it imo. More speed creates a more stable swing.

[jut111]

When they add a face to a baseball bat, I'll worry about how guys swing baseball bats.

[AlexCzervic]

So why do so many treat it as such? There were a couple earlier posts regarding leverage which is a principle often used to move heavy things. How much does a ball weigh?

Is this necessary?

 

Examples of lever types include crowbar, stapler, and pliers. Doesn’t seem golf related to me. Just wanted to throw this out there.

To me a weight on a string is more like golf than a pair of pliers.

 

So question-do you think that golf is a lever game or a weight on a string game or both? Please discuss.

 

CHAKA

 

For those who have acquired the skill to delay release, leverage is most important. Physics occurs at both ends of the club, leverage from the right side keeps the handle from backing up(left side is structurally disadvantaged) Need proof? watch Rory’s hips during release.

 

AC

[Swingman420]

AC

can you describe what you mean by the skill of delaying release?

 

[AlexCzervic]

Release can be delayed only as long as the hands follow a straight path. Golf is a right sided game, accept it and progress, reject it and beat head against wall for eternity.

 

 

AC

[Swingman420]

AC

if you’re happy that’s great. Right can be might. But what you describe is different from swinging in the sense Ernest Jones wrote about. If you get results that’s great. Like a whip.

What I like is what this hall of famer taught Manuel De La Torres father. It’s what works for me

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer)

[AlexCzervic]

AC

if you’re happy that’s great. Right can be might. But what you describe is different from swinging in the sense Ernest Jones wrote about. If you get results that’s great. Like a whip.

What I like is what this hall of famer taught Manuel De La Torres father. It’s what works for me

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer)

 

It’s nothing like a whip.

 

This is epitome of Earnest Jones, "the hands are the medium which controls the swing, with body parts - arms, legs, shoulders and such - performing as admirable followers."

 

 

AC

[oikos1]

[Swingman420]

That’s a cool dog.

 

AC ok, sorry I commented on your method. When you said straight handpath made me think of a towel snap. I though maybe you were a person using that idea. This is the concept apparently some use which I think is not helpful.

 

This is an example of a person trying to explain his view. No wonder golf channel did not hire him. After watching this what can one take out of it?

 

I think Ernest Jones would disagree with many teachers today focusing on things that are a result of the swinging motion. Your hands are your only point of contact with the club.

 

He said the problem with golf is that people teach what a swing produces (body motion) instead of how to produce a swing. I performed an experiment with several adults who had never swung a club before. I had them swing back and forth naturally and brush the turf for about ten minutes.

Then we walked over to the range and introduced the ball. Obviously contact was not consistent however they were amazed at how far the ball flew. The biggest problem was I lost the ability to keep them swinging. After seeing such an amazing result they turned into long drive competitors and lost the swinging motion and began trying to bludgeon the ball. I tried to tell them but they went on their own. They had tremendous fun. The thing was their body movements when swinging with the hands had an awful lot of the aspects people spend years trying to produce consciously. In synch, good impact position, slight lowering in transition with the baby hip bump, all that was produced naturally as a result of their body balancing itself during the course of the swing.

That experiment made me rethink my own approach.

Jones himself gave an example of skipping rope. The hands swing the rope rhythmically and the jumps are timed in response to that. Think of the difficulty in reversing the procedure.

 

CHAKA

 

ALOHA

[AlexCzervic]

No worries.

 

Focus on Ernest Jones. I think the reason people do not develop athletic swings in golf starts with the grip. Without proper grip, the hands can not fulfill there role as clamps(loose wrists) and directors of the swing. By the time they develop a proper grip, they have developed a host of habits and ideas and resist change. So, because of initial poor grip the hands become ignored, uneducated servants and the golfer trains the hell out of his pivot. It’s a shame because the body will work miracles just by thinking about the hands.

 

Average guy, so-so athlete, Great Hands.

 

AC