Recommend Deep Face Low COG Driver

[Brownnl]

I find myself clicking on each of these "deep faced" drive topics, and continue to be disappointed with the recommendations. Outside of the new Bridgestone lineup and a handful of JDM drivers, I wouldn't classify any of the recent drivers from the big OEM's to be "deep faced". Some are deeper than others (e.g. Cally DBD's, TM M1 430/440, Titleist D3/D4) while others have appearance of being deeper from their compact headshape (e.g. Ping G400), but classify any of them to be in the same league as older deep faced drivers (e.g. TM R9 superdeep, Cleveland Classic/XL, Adams 9015D, etc.).

 

I don't refute any of the MOI discussions in this thread, but I have a hard time classifying Cobra LTD as a deep faced driver.

 

It seems like there are specs listed for every club feature, but never once has I seen driver face height (or ground to top of face). How do we have multiple MOI measures, but face height is discluded?

 

I guess that depends on why you are looking for a deep face. If its purely a visual/confidence thing then I totally get it, there isn't much available to satisfy that. But if a deep face is somehow being equated to a certain performance metric then that simply isn't going to be true. A deeper face means a larger face overall, a larger face means more weight up front, and more weight upfront means less forgiveness. The illusion of a bigger hitting area is nulled by the fact that more of that hitting area is unfriendly given the MOI concerns of weight being forward. Plus, if the CG isn't pulled down significantly then all you have accomplished is adding MORE surface area to the bad part of the face below the CG creating the potential for even lower and this higher spin contact.

 

For me personally, it's strictly a visual/confidence thing. For some reason I can more regularly find the center of the face of the compact/deep heads. I've found being closer to the center of the face offsets the additional forgiveness of high MOI/low CG designs.

 

I also have a phobia of idiot marks, and typically set tee height to protect against them (equator of ball at top of face). A shallow face will result in more low-face contact, or poor AOA.

 

I agree with everything you've stated... physics doesn't lie

[Valtiel]

I find myself clicking on each of these "deep faced" drive topics, and continue to be disappointed with the recommendations. Outside of the new Bridgestone lineup and a handful of JDM drivers, I wouldn't classify any of the recent drivers from the big OEM's to be "deep faced". Some are deeper than others (e.g. Cally DBD's, TM M1 430/440, Titleist D3/D4) while others have appearance of being deeper from their compact headshape (e.g. Ping G400), but classify any of them to be in the same league as older deep faced drivers (e.g. TM R9 superdeep, Cleveland Classic/XL, Adams 9015D, etc.).

 

I don't refute any of the MOI discussions in this thread, but I have a hard time classifying Cobra LTD as a deep faced driver.

 

It seems like there are specs listed for every club feature, but never once has I seen driver face height (or ground to top of face). How do we have multiple MOI measures, but face height is discluded?

 

I guess that depends on why you are looking for a deep face. If its purely a visual/confidence thing then I totally get it, there isn't much available to satisfy that. But if a deep face is somehow being equated to a certain performance metric then that simply isn't going to be true. A deeper face means a larger face overall, a larger face means more weight up front, and more weight upfront means less forgiveness. The illusion of a bigger hitting area is nulled by the fact that more of that hitting area is unfriendly given the MOI concerns of weight being forward. Plus, if the CG isn't pulled down significantly then all you have accomplished is adding MORE surface area to the bad part of the face below the CG creating the potential for even lower and this higher spin contact.

 

For me personally, it's strictly a visual/confidence thing. For some reason I can more regularly find the center of the face of the compact/deep heads. I've found being closer to the center of the face offsets the additional forgiveness of high MOI/low CG designs.

 

I also have a phobia of idiot marks, and typically set tee height to protect against them (equator of ball at top of face). A shallow face will result in more low-face contact, or poor AOA.

 

I agree with everything you've stated... physics doesn't lie

 

But physics don't mean a damn thing if it messes with your head, so to speak. :D

 

I do know what you mean though, its similar for me with loft, I just need to see a certain amount down there, need to see the surface if the face.

[miles2go]

OP here

Some really great info in this thread.

Thank you.