Posting Score For Temp Greens

[Phireside]

Just want to see if I understand this correctly. Frozen greens today, played 14/18 on temps.

My course handicap for this course is 12.

So for handicap holes 1-12 I should post a bogey?For holes 13-18 I should post par?For the holes that were played on regular greens, I post as normal?Is this right?

[DaveLeeNC]

2.1/3 states that your local authorized association should determine how temporary greens are to be handled. If there were no decision made or known, I would be posting actual scores (max NDB) for holes 1-13 and then posting NET par on 14-18 (IOW, post a bogey on a stroke hole, par on a non-stroke hole, etc). For you your stroke holes are hole handicaps 1-12 (as you stated).

The above is wrong and based on the old (USGA) requirement of 13 completed holes - not the new 14. The OP can only post a 9 hole score.

dave

[Mr. Bean]

Doesn't 3.2 say you need to post net bogey for 14 and net par for 15-18 ?

In our translation it is 'association MUST determine' and not 'should'. Which do you have?

[DaveLeeNC]

Thanks - I actually didn't realize that the old (USGA) rule of 13 holes being posted as a 18 hole score is now 14. All the OP can do is to post a 9 hole score under the stated assumptions.

dave

[Mr. Bean]

Is that what your (USGA) version of WHS says? My version (FGA, Finland) says you can post any number of holes beyond 9.

[DaveLeeNC]

In the US you must complete 14 holes to post an 18 hole score - otherwise you post a 9 hole score. That limit used to be 13 holes here in the US.

dave

[Mr. Bean]

So much for a uniform handicap system...

[Augster]

I think there’s been a misrepresentation of this question. The player played all 18 holes. 14 of those holes were temp greens.

It depends whether your “authorized association” feels you should post or not. If they feel you should post the score, post the score you made even with the temp greens.

“2.1/3 – Returning Scores for Handicap Purposes While Playing on Temporary Greens or Tees

The Authorized Association should determine whether scores made under temporary course conditions are acceptable for handicap purposes. The Authorized Association should also determine whether a temporary modification to the Course Rating and Slope Rating is required to reflect the temporary changes (see Appendix G).”

 Another way around this, if you know the greens are temporary, is to play the hole to the green, then pick up. What we usually play is maximum 2-putt when on the green. So you try to make it, then pick up. For cap purposes, this is virtually the same as just picking up when you get on the temp green. Once you pick up, your score is MLS up to NDB.

So to answer your question, if the authorized association felt the course is good enough for posting purposes, post it. The CR/slope could be modified by the loss of yardage in Appendix G.

Even if the authorized association didn’t authorize posting, I imagine playing the hole then picking up with MLS up to NDB would still get you a legal postable score.

But usually, if the course is open, and it’s your posting season, post the score. When we have temp greens, our club usually puts out a modified CR/Slope at the front desk for posting purposes.

[DaveLeeNC]

FWIW, the only time that I saw temp greens actually addressed by an authority (2 greens out for about 6 weeks), they allowed play on the 2 holes using temp greens but created temporary CR/Rating numbers based on 16 holes (don't count scores on the 2 holes). Similar to taking net par.

Every temp green that I have ever seen (not many, I admit) was well in front of the normal green, so MLS should be done with modified CR/Rating numbers in those cases.

dave

ps. Back to the question asked and (speculation on my part) the circumstances (which is no local association judgment is available), I would post the round under the assumption that the temp green holes were holes not played (under the RoG).

[Newby]

Unless they affect the measured course length by more that 100 yards, one or two temporary greens or tees are treated as normal greens/tees under CONGU current rules. The CSS (our PCC) is supposed to take care of the effect on scores.

[DaveLeeNC]

In the OP's case it was five greens.

For the case that I posted (which was not my home course so my understanding is limited) course length was not the issue. Not having puttable greens was the issue from what I was told. I am not sure exactly how the new CR and Rating was determined. Just leaving out the CR and Rating contribution of 2 holes is a bit iffy (if that is indeed what happened - I don't know).

And the CSS methodology does make some automatic adjustments that are not exactly available to the US - not around at all until this year. The PCC thing is not intended to adjust for these kinds of issues.

dave

[Newby]

I thought the PCC definition includes a reference to course conditions."Not having puttable greens was the issue" Sounds as if it qualifies

 

[DaveLeeNC]

As I understand things, PCC is intended to address over-all course conditions, rather than accommodate some single hole issues. So maybe if all the greens were temps. Regardless I would be shocked to find that a set of conditions that causes a "1 stroke worse than yesterday" in CSS would also cause a +1 in PCC.

But I truly do not know.

dave

[Mr. Bean]

I tought CONGU is already dead and buried...

[Newby]

November 2nd. Plenty of life yet.

[Phireside]

Thanks all for the replies. My only purpose for tracking my handicap is to monitor my personal improvement. I don't play competitions, etc., where a handicap really matters. For that reason, I've posted as I interpreted according to Golf Canada. This results in a higher score than if I had posted as played, and one that I'm personally more comfortable with. As played would lower my handicap further but I don't think it would be justified.

[Augster]

Sounds like bagger talk to me.

[Davino]

We have 1 frozen green par 4 (345yds) changed to temp par 3. (135yds)We understand the slope, rating and par changes by the USGA .the question is the par 4 is handicapped at 2. Obviously the par 3 is not a 2 handicap now. Our handicap chairman changed the handicaps on the back 9 to accommodate this. The par 3 is now 18 handicap and all 8 remaining holes changed by 2. Is this right ?

[Newby]

10 hours ago, Davino said:

We have 1 frozen green par 4 (345yds) changed to temp par 3. (135yds)We understand the slope, rating and par changes by the USGA .the question is the par 4 is handicapped at 2. Obviously the par 3 is not a 2 handicap now. Our handicap chairman changed the handicaps on the back 9 to accommodate this. The par 3 is now 18 handicap and all 8 remaining holes changed by 2. Is this right ?

The Stroke Index allocation is entirely a matter for the course/club committee.

 

Although there is a recommendation by the R&A/USGA in the WHS manual it is not compulsory.