Sloppy hips PT2

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

Standing closer to the ball after a tip from Monte (appreciated as always) hopefully has helped my hip tilt

 

path definitely improved with exit more left, still struggle to keep left hip from spinning out in the backswing

Edited August 31, 2023 by joemcsorleypreswickGC

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

1 minute ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Standing closer to the ball after a tip from Monte (appreciated as always) hopefully has helped my hip tilt

 

path definitely improved with exit more left, still struggle to keep left hip from spinning out in the backswing

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

Much better.  Work on getting the club head to come out later without cheating and dropping your right shoulder.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIn5NjOlK_p/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[mizunotpz]

4 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Much better.  Work on getting the club head to come out later without cheating and dropping your right shoulder.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIn5NjOlK_p/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Have to ask you Monte: at the top it looks like the op:s right arm is bent more than 90 degrees that you and AMG talked about. Am I wrong, maybe its not easy to see without measuring in GEARS?

[MonteScheinblum]

29 minutes ago, mizunotpz said:

Have to ask you Monte: at the top it looks like the op:s right arm is bent more than 90 degrees that you and AMG talked about. Am I wrong, maybe its not easy to see without measuring in GEARS?

Mostly camera angle.  That’s not over bent by a long shot and 90* is a reference point, it’s not like 85 is a disaster. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by MonteScheinblum

[umamimami]

That overrun at the top causes issues. It looks like you’re counterbalancing yourself from club parallel and tilting a lot while possibly flaring ribs to get to the top, that’s letting you drop massively into your lead leg and creating the spin out. It might feel like you don’t use your core / get little feeling from your abs at all.

 

Perhaps try make swings where you feel like you keep your core more connected. If I’m right you currently feel like ribs flare out or that the top of the swing has a sort of upwards heave or lift it may also feel like you’re getting closer to the target but in a toppling over sort of way.

 

 

An image: imagine your hands are heavy. Like where if you swung it above your head they would crash down on you. Or if you swing them out at the top you’d get thrown massively out of balance. Flung around by your lead weighted hands. Imagine how you’d swing your arms around you but managing their weight. 

 

An alternate image: Imagine you swing a medicine ball the same path you swing the club to the ball? Would that go well? Is there a better swing that feels more natural and stable and balanced and controllable?
 

Yes swing freely, but it’s heavy … and you want to be in control. You may feel like you swing less far but you’d also feel “connected”. If you get to the top and the club keeps going that means you did not manage the force you generated in the backswing properly. 

 

Swinging with more core and connection is keeping your torso activated in a way that facilitates rotation. You might not be going fast but you’ll be able to fire… eventually, you have to trust. 

 

Monte’s drill gets at this - the further down you (lightly) drag the butt against the wall the more stacked and realigned your torso and core gets before you fire. You gotta trust that this transition can feel/be a “downswing” / downwards movement but it’s not yet the time to go right at the ball. The taller you are the more of this you need.

You can really see in his video how in the first example the guy never got his trunk in order. You can see how it looks like his pecs are facing *considerably* more towards the ceiling than his lower trunk. Then he has to early extend to bring his lower torso more into line with his upper so that he can rotate, then he has to slash and scoop at the ball because he’s so far out that if he keeps rotating like this he’ll hit the ball 45+ deg right or miss the ball or hit his lead foot with the hosel.

 

Related to your swing:

 

Dr Kwon recently posted a YouTube lesson recently where the student struggled like this: Grayson S Here’s the third video. It’s a long watch. 
Look at *how* Kwon gets his hands “above” his head. Compare to Grayson and to yourself. The torso action is very different from each other. Their concept of arms position is also very different but it accomplishes a similar ish result.

 

 

If you’re going through Kwons channel to find a better example, Parker B is an example of someone who does the thing I’m talking about quite well by the time he’s done.

 

 

In summary I’d say you use the weight of the iron to help you get all tilted so that you can “turn” further and further up and back. Then you can’t undo this and swing either powerfully or on the line you want so you compensate while spinning.
 

I’d encourage you to develop your actual pivot strength and stability. And possibly strengthen it with chops and throws and sprints and check out what TPI suggests for a starting point. Every mph of club head speed is more than a few pounds of additional weight you need to be able to take on with your back and core and stabilize. 

 

You seem fairly fit it might be just a case of bringing your awareness and getting those muscles going.

 

If you’re tall then it’s more important to be strong especially if you’re not already extremely athletic. Tall people have to expend more effort and it’s easier to get out of balance because of limb length and angles needed to hit a ball at your feet. Sadly we can also more efficiently counter balance because of the limb length thing.

 

If you haven’t grown into your swing over decades, hitting the gym will do wonders because there are certain muscles that are underdeveloped for what the rest of your frame can generate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by umamimami

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

26 minutes ago, umamimami said:

That overrun at the top causes issues. It looks like you’re counterbalancing yourself from club parallel and tilting a lot while possibly flaring ribs to get to the top, that’s letting you drop massively into your lead leg and creating the spin out. It might feel like you don’t use your core / get little feeling from your abs at all.

 

Perhaps try make swings where you feel like you keep your core more connected. If I’m right you currently feel like ribs flare out or that the top of the swing has a sort of upwards heave or lift it may also feel like you’re getting closer to the target but in a toppling over sort of way.

 

 

An image: imagine your hands are heavy. Like where if you swung it above your head they would crash down on you. Or if you swing them out at the top you’d get thrown massively out of balance. Flung around by your lead weighted hands. Imagine how you’d swing your arms around you but managing their weight. 

 

An alternate image: Imagine you swing a medicine ball the same path you swing the club to the ball? Would that go well? Is there a better swing that feels more natural and stable and balanced and controllable?
 

Yes swing freely, but it’s heavy … and you want to be in control. You may feel like you swing less far but you’d also feel “connected”. If you get to the top and the club keeps going that means you did not manage the force you generated in the backswing properly. 

 

Swinging with more core and connection is keeping your torso activated in a way that facilitates rotation. You might not be going fast but you’ll be able to fire… eventually, you have to trust. 

 

Monte’s drill gets at this - the further down you (lightly) drag the butt against the wall the more stacked and realigned your torso and core gets before you fire. You gotta trust that this transition can feel/be a “downswing” / downwards movement but it’s not yet the time to go right at the ball. The taller you are the more of this you need.

You can really see in his video how in the first example the guy never got his trunk in order. You can see how it looks like his pecs are facing *considerably* more towards the ceiling than his lower trunk. Then he has to early extend to bring his lower torso more into line with his upper so that he can rotate, then he has to slash and scoop at the ball because he’s so far out that if he keeps rotating like this he’ll hit the ball 45+ deg right or miss the ball or hit his lead foot with the hosel.

 

Related to your swing:

 

Dr Kwon recently posted a YouTube lesson recently where the student struggled like this: Grayson S Here’s the third video. It’s a long watch. 
Look at *how* Kwon gets his hands “above” his head. Compare to Grayson and to yourself. The torso action is very different from each other. Their concept of arms position is also very different but it accomplishes a similar ish result.

 

 

If you’re going through Kwons channel to find a better example, Parker B is an example of someone who does the thing I’m talking about quite well by the time he’s done.

 

 

In summary I’d say you use the weight of the iron to help you get all tilted so that you can “turn” further and further up and back. Then you can’t undo this and swing either powerfully or on the line you want so you compensate while spinning.
 

I’d encourage you to develop your actual pivot strength and stability. And possibly strengthen it with chops and throws and sprints and check out what TPI suggests for a starting point. Every mph of club head speed is more than a few pounds of additional weight you need to be able to take on with your back and core and stabilize. 

 

You seem fairly fit it might be just a case of bringing your awareness and getting those muscles going.

 

If you’re tall then it’s more important to be strong especially if you’re not already extremely athletic. Tall people have to expend more effort and it’s easier to get out of balance because of limb length and angles needed to hit a ball at your feet. Sadly we can also more efficiently counter balance because of the limb length thing.

 

If you haven’t grown into your swing over decades, hitting the gym will do wonders because there are certain muscles that are underdeveloped for what the rest of your frame can generate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the deep analysis, should the feel for the backswing be short wide and more torso rotation?

[umamimami]

If that feel keeps you connected to your core then sure. Take a look at that Kwon video and see the difference in how the student is just getting his arms up high at the cost of posture and Kwon is getting his arms high because he swung them there. One of them is already swinging back the other way (Kwon) The other has this awkward pause because he’s overswung and he needs to reposition before he can continue the motion. 

Picture a zombie with their arms out in front weakly grasping at something. Their shoulders going towards their neck. This is a sure fire way to disconnect your lats and core from your arms. Now swing your arms up in front like you’re about to go down into a jump squat. Did you feel how your shoulders felt more connected to your torso?

 

Many pros have a nice fluid look to them but I assure you they are not going limp and tilting to get that final bit of shoulder turn at the top. You only get a stretch/develop a coil if you maintain some amount of tension for that coil to develop around. If you let your spine/core get too loose then yes you can do all sorts of movements but it’s without power and balance. 

 

 

 

[umamimami]

Here’s a video that conveniently came out this week.

https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/connecting-quiver-pulls-scapular-movement/?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Unlock+Your+Golf+Swing+Potential%3A+Master+the+Quiver+Pull+Technique
 

you can create a free trial account to view it. 
 

I think you’re doing almost the opposite at the top. You’re letting the club apply force on you so that you move towards target, rather than getting force into the club.