Mizuno Pro 241 or 221 ?

[DLR]

Has anyone shipped and hit the 241's from Japan zenmarket? I just packed in my 20 year old 33's for the 221's. Heard nothing but good about the 221's one of the best recently. I like the look of 221's better than 241. Apparently they're smaller than 221 which is hard to believe. Mizuno is A1 in my opinion let me know what you think.

[DLR]

Also just got a set of Miura 1957 BB's. The 221's are not that small compared to these. Looking forward to hitting both and comparing.

[dayvei214]

Played the 221 a couple of rounds. Great irons, although for me I felt they were a little mushy. I like soft but to me the 221 was like mashed potatoes. I currently game the MB 101 and prefer the feel. Just a touch firmer than the 221 and sound of the face is not as dulled.  

[hwo jyo]

I had a similar situation as I had replaced my mp 37's with the 221's a couple years ago.

 

I recently hit the 241's, they are smaller, but fractionally so.  The feel is near identical, but the 241's felt a bit springier, but that could just be that the demos were brand new vs being hit 1000's of times.  Data showed that the 241's were 5 yds longer, but that could be a slight length and weight adjustment as their standard is 1/4" longer now and the weight is more focused behind the center.  1/4" length increase can lead to 2 yds increase by itself.  I think both are great and are rewarding with pure shots.  Miss hits aren't that punishing either, say 5-8 yds loss w/ 10mm mishits.  

 

If you optimize your set up I doubt there is much difference when you compare them.  Going from mb to mb the changes are incremental.  I still like the looks of my mp37's the best with the chrome and sharper lines.

[underwater]

On 1/17/2024 at 9:49 AM, hwo jyo said:

I had a similar situation as I had replaced my mp 37's with the 221's a couple years ago.

 

I recently hit the 241's, they are smaller, but fractionally so.  The feel is near identical, but the 241's felt a bit springier, but that could just be that the demos were brand new vs being hit 1000's of times.  Data showed that the 241's were 5 yds longer, but that could be a slight length and weight adjustment as their standard is 1/4" longer now and the weight is more focused behind the center.  1/4" length increase can lead to 2 yds increase by itself.  I think both are great and are rewarding with pure shots.  Miss hits aren't that punishing either, say 5-8 yds loss w/ 10mm mishits.  

 

If you optimize your set up I doubt there is much difference when you compare them.  Going from mb to mb the changes are incremental.  I still like the looks of my mp37's the best with the chrome and sharper lines.

 

Irons don't get "less springy" after being hit 1000's of times.  Mizuno blade faces don't have a trampoline effect.  They don't reflex at all.  The added distance may be to another variable such as spin differential.

 

Mizuno standard length was increased by .25" six  years ago with the advent of the MP-18.  Since then the length has been consistent.

 

 

 

[DLR]

Thank you Hwo for your opinion on the two irons. The 221s feel great just like my 20 year old 33s feel great. Just like my 223s feel great. Pretty sure all Mizuno MBs feel great made in the last 30 years.

Crazy what their marketing can do

[pjc]

On 1/17/2024 at 11:49 AM, hwo jyo said:

I had a similar situation as I had replaced my mp 37's with the 221's a couple years ago.

 

I recently hit the 241's, they are smaller, but fractionally so.  The feel is near identical, but the 241's felt a bit springier, but that could just be that the demos were brand new vs being hit 1000's of times.  Data showed that the 241's were 5 yds longer, but that could be a slight length and weight adjustment as their standard is 1/4" longer now and the weight is more focused behind the center.  1/4" length increase can lead to 2 yds increase by itself.  I think both are great and are rewarding with pure shots.  Miss hits aren't that punishing either, say 5-8 yds loss w/ 10mm mishits.  

 

If you optimize your set up I doubt there is much difference when you compare them.  Going from mb to mb the changes are incremental.  I still like the looks of my mp37's the best with the chrome and sharper lines.

As pointed out above, this is not true.  They just switched the way they measure the clubs now to include the grip instead of them always posting their measurements without the grip.  The new MP line shows the measurement using the 60 degree measurement which measures to the end of the grip.  The Mizuno USA website shows this distinction as the JPX models from a year ago still show the lengths as they used to which is a 1/4 inch shorter than the 60 degree measurement used on the brand new models.  I took my JPX forged 6 iron and held it next to the new MP 243, they were the exact same finished length.

[underwater]

9 hours ago, pjc said:

As pointed out above, this is not true.  They just switched the way they measure the clubs now to include the grip instead of them always posting their measurements without the grip.  The new MP line shows the measurement using the 60 degree measurement which measures to the end of the grip.  The Mizuno USA website shows this distinction as the JPX models from a year ago still show the lengths as they used to which is a 1/4 inch shorter than the 60 degree measurement used on the brand new models.  I took my JPX forged 6 iron and held it next to the new MP 243, they were the exact same finished length.

 

Yep, and however that measuring technique is communicated with the public, the fact of the matter is that the Mizuno standard iron length of today makes it thankfully the longest default steel iron length in the industry.  I remember playing MP's over a decade ago and had to order them +1/2".  Today I order them +1/4" because their change is more than the simple 1/8" grip cap inclusion Mizuno suggests. 

 

...the new Mizuno standard is a strong quarter inch over the historic length.  I think this is wise.  The bulk of custom orders today are for over-length irons.  I don't know anyone who plays standard length in any iron.  Making the default iron length longer benefits more people who can shop off the rack.  Especially with the advent of some good shafts being placed in the irons at retail.  (S-Taper on some Cobras, KBS Tour on the new 241 and P7MC, Modus 120 on the 243, ZX7 etc... )

 

If the irons are too long and the season is in full swing, I'd rather tell a buddy to buy them, blow the grips off, and whack 1/4" off the length.  1-1.5 swingweight point isn't a big deal when custom order times are approaching a month in June.

 

 

 

Edited January 29 by underwater