so i have most of my bag set but i need some help

[mackepa]

as of right now ive ordered some new Vokey C.C. wedges. i decided to drop my 3 iron because it is of no use to me so i have a spot to fill and i dont know what i want to get. right now my bag looks like this...

 

8.5* 909D2 w/ Oban Devotion 6x +1/2"

15* 904f diamana blue 83g x STD

18* Idea Pro Black w/ Oban Devotion X hybrid (on the way)

4-9 AP2 (original) w/ Project X 6.5 Flighted +1/2" (Cavity Plates removed)

(ordered) 48.06 Vokey SM.CC. bent to 47* w/ KBS Tour X +1/2"

(ordered) 54.14 Vokey SM.CC. bent to 53* w/ KBS Tour X +1/2"

(ordered) 60.04 Vokey SM.CC. w/ KBS Tour X +1/4"

34" Scotty Cameron ButtonBack customed w/ black dancing Scotty grip and Cherry Red paintfill

 

 

 

as of right now thats 13 clubs... what else should i get? i dont really have any major distance gaps

[jkim021587]

if you like your 3 wedge setup and dont wanna make it 4, why dont you fill in the gap between ur 18* pro black and 4 iron, maybe a 20*or22* pro black?
or just use 13 clubs....lighter bag lol, since i always walk the course carrying i like it as light as possible

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='mackepa' date='11 February 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1265911048' post='2243929']
as of right now ive ordered some new Vokey C.C. wedges. i decided to drop my 3 iron because it is of no use to me so i have a spot to fill and i dont know what i want to get. right now my bag looks like this...

8.5* 909D2 w/ Oban Devotion 6x +1/2"
15* 904f diamana blue 83g x STD
18* Idea Pro Black w/ Oban Devotion X hybrid (on the way)
4-9 AP2 (original) w/ Project X 6.5 Flighted +1/2" (Cavity Plates removed)
(ordered) 48.06 Vokey SM.CC. bent to 47* w/ KBS Tour X +1/2"
(ordered) 54.14 Vokey SM.CC. bent to 53* w/ KBS Tour X +1/2"
(ordered) 60.04 Vokey SM.CC. w/ KBS Tour X +1/4"
34" Scotty Cameron ButtonBack  customed w/ black dancing Scotty grip and Cherry Red paintfill



as of right now thats 13 clubs... what else should i get? i dont really have any major distance gaps
[/quote]

You have no major distance gaps.. OK.  What length and type of course is that based upon?

[Midnightexpress]

personally, id go with a 3 iron

[mackepa]

i play a variety of courses. i dont want to carry a 3 iron because i hit my 4 iron almost just as far and it actually sits on the greens. i can't get the ball to sit much with the 3 iron. i might consider another vokey. maybe a 64* but im not totally sure.

[k.kim913]

doesnt look like your game needs a 64*
so id say cancel that idea

[mackepa]

how so?

[williamo]

You can always have a mini driver 13* or a 64 wedge...

Your bag looks great! PIIIICS???

[mackepa]

i'll post some pics when i get my wedges and hybrid in. right now it isnt complete haha. im dying to get my wedges. i want to see how much of a difference the grooves make

[SwingBlade]

Assuming your wedge gaps work for you, I would consider a 5 wood. Maybe the most versatile club addition I've ever made. The 5 wood just does so many things so well and on any day where the driver or 3 wood aren't cooperating and for especially tight courses, the 5 wood is pure money.

[mackepa]

ive never been much of a 5 wood fan. ive never put one into play but ive messed around with them. i naturally spin my woods alot so a 5 wood usually balloons on me a bit. i like to thing of myself as a traditional player so i hate seeing a bunch of headcovers in my bag. but im smart enough to put something into play if i know it'll perform for me and lead to better golf. im seriously considering just playing with 13 clubs. the 3 iron only got me in trouble. i only hit it on long par 3s and it always landed on the green and and slipped of the back edge. i toyed around with a 64* last year and i had some results with it but it wasnt really worth taking up the space because i could do relatively the same thing with a 60* and my misses weren't as bad as the 64*. so im kinda inbetween a rock and a hard place. i guess i'll just play with 13.... maybe i'll carry an extra scotty incase i bend the other one over my knee hahaha

[mackepa]

after some consideration im thinking that maybe i'll just bend the 3 iron a degree or two weak then jack the thing up with lead tape on the back to try and pull the flight up a bit and if that fails i'll just lock it in my closet and never touch it again

[Pepperturbo]

 I say this with respect, if you can't hit 3 iron and get it to stop on a green like a 4, instead of buying another club you might invest in long iron ball striking/spin lessons.  I face a 195-218 yard par 3, full carry from tee to false front green over water 195 yards.  Depending on conditions I've used as little as 5i and as much as 2 iron, and seldom miss the green.  I am not bragging just sharing its no big deal to wield 3 or 2 iron and stop them.

[GAL007]

I agree with the idea of trying out a 20 or 22 degree hybrid. A 64 degree wedge with the new grooves will be almost useless because the ball will just slide up the face in the rough

Chris

[TourBound3617]

If you absolutely have no yardage gaps, and hit the ball fairly well with all clubs, you don't NEED a club obviously. but thats not what you asked so, i would say get a club that helps you with situations that you dont particularly have a go to club for. maybe a 64* for extreme high flight situations. or another hybrid. i dont really know what you'd need, but i think you can understand what I am saying.

or you could go the phil mickelson way- one driver for fades and one for draws lol

[mackepa]

i do love phil mickelson haha

[tigerfan23]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' date='11 February 2010 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1265930485' post='2244765']
I say this with respect, if you can't hit 3 iron and get it to stop on a green like a 4, instead of buying another club you might invest in long iron ball striking/spin lessons. I face a 195-218 yard par 3, full carry from tee to false front green over water 195 yards. Depending on conditions I've used as little as 5i and as much as 2 iron, and seldom miss the green. I am not bragging just sharing its no big deal to wield 3 or 2 iron and stop them.
[/quote]

that's not fair. Everyone who doesn't game a 3 iron needs lessons?
Tell that to 20+% of the PGA tour.

I'd ditch the 54 and get a 52,56. You have the extra room so might as well do it.

[Pepperturbo]

Fair... are opinions suppose to be fair for them to be substantive; I think not.  What in golf or life is fair. If people wait for fair, they'll going to wait for a long time.

The OP didn't provide skill info so I am not assuming he's scratch or even a low single, especially when he says 3 iron is of no use to him and he can't control the ball using it; his words.  But, you can assume whatever.

[mackepa]

[size=2]nah i having a 53 too much. i never change the lofts i use for my wedges. i've played them for so long i dont like anything else. i think im just going to bend the 3 iron a bit and add tape... oh and the lack of spin on my 3 iron isnt because of lack of skill. its because long irons are naturally difficult to hit. im not trying to start a big argument or anything but MOST people can't hit them hard enough to make them worth being in the bag. (btw im a plus 2 handicap lol)[/size]

[Pepperturbo]

   All I can say is WOW.. 1.3, a ripe ole 60 and 3i carry is 195-205, 2i 215-220 and some days longer.  

[mackepa]

nice. if my swing permitted me to hit a 2 iron 220 with enough spin to stop it on the green i would. instead my swing allows me to carry a 3 iron 215+ pin high. too bad i then watch it usually as i roll across the green and into the bunker behind the green. im a strong player (around 113 mph SS w/ driver) i just dont spin my long irons enough to take advantage of them.

[Pepperturbo]

I typically play 10.5-12 greens (US Open and Sr Open qualifying tracks) that have great foundations and hold.  I hit the ball hard which allows me to stop a Tour ix within 4-10' using a low to moderate trajectory and lots of spin.

I tee it up with some younger guys now and again, including a few pga tour guys when they aren't traveling.  All are much longer then me off the tee, but I can stay with them within reason using irons.  When facing a 460-470 yrd par4 typically I am left with 200-208 in and lots of long irons; I love it.  I'll loose some distance sometime in the future, but thanks to my gym routine and strength - not yet.  

[LSeca]

[quote name='mackepa' date='11 February 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1265934947' post='2244962']
[size="2"] i think im just going to bend the 3 iron a bit and add tape... [/size]
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Have you thought about jsut buying the all new and updated AP1 3 iron? They new AP1 design is totally diff now and I find it blends in easily to the AP2, feels great too. The Ap1 is a little stronger lofted than our sets by a degree I beleive. Although it is my 4 iron, I find it unbeleivably long and easy to get up...kinda like a driving iron. This may be worth a try for you.

Btw, PGA tour pros have difficulty stopping 2 irons and it is one of the reasons they are becoming less common. Take some of the comments on here with a grain of salt.

[tigerfan23]

i think im just going to bend the 3 iron a bit and add tape...

Btw, PGA tour pros have difficulty stopping 2 irons and it is one of the reasons they are becoming less common. Take some of the comments on here with a grain of salt.

 

You mean you don't believe the above poster can stop a 2 iron from 230?

 

[mackepa]

yeah i considered getting an AP1 3 iron but im not a fan of the massive offset. they're great irons just not for me. maybe i'll look into it a bit more though. thanks alot!

[LSeca]

i think im just going to bend the 3 iron a bit and add tape...

Btw, PGA tour pros have difficulty stopping 2 irons and it is one of the reasons they are becoming less common. Take some of the comments on here with a grain of salt.

 

You mean you don't believe the above poster can stop a 2 iron from 230?

 

 

Considering a younger, stronger, and current number one player in the world plays his 2 iron at 245 and can't stop it, no I don't beleive it...but what do I know anyway. I could be wrong.

 

 

yeah i considered getting an AP1 3 iron but im not a fan of the massve offset. they're great irons just not for me. maybe i'll look into it a bit more though. thanks alot!

 

I understand that, but if you can go hit one. The club does look much diff from above, but it seems to work quite well for me - just an idea. I do like your bending idea though, may as well try something as you have the room.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='LSeca' date='11 February 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1265944657' post='2245387']
[quote name='mackepa' date='11 February 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1265934947' post='2244962']
[size="2"] i think im just going to bend the 3 iron a bit and add tape... [/size]
[/quote]


Have you thought about jsut buying the all new and updated AP1 3 iron?  They new AP1 design is totally diff now and I find it blends in easily to the AP2, feels great too.  The Ap1 is a little stronger lofted than our sets by a degree I beleive.  Although it is my 4 iron, I find it unbeleivably long and easy to get up...kinda like a driving iron.  This may be worth a try for you.

Btw, PGA tour pros have difficulty stopping 2 irons and it is one of the reasons they are becoming less common.  Take some of the comments on here with a grain of salt.
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PGA tour players have difficulty stopping a 2i but you seemingly don't know way.  Nationwide and PGA guys face 220-240yd Par 3's... on the shorter Par 3's under 215 they use a 4i as it's typically jacked up and face 5k greens.  Kenny Perry carry's a 3i at 17* and they hit the ball pretty hard with irons; average Joe golfer on this site doesn't.  Anyways, when facing longer Par 3's, 2nd shot par 5's and long 470-500 par 4's, the 2i trajectory looses height, speed and it's spin so it runs.  Reason it makes sense to choose a replacement club so coming in high and stopping is possible.  You're right take some comment with a grain of something... maybe a grain alcohol would be better.

PS, some of you guys are pretty sheltered if you think stopping a 2 iron from 220 isn't possible.  Maybe you had better learn how to hit the ball better.

[LSeca]

Simply put, I just don't beleive you pepperturbo. The info you have wrote just doesn't make sense but I don't want to drag this out, we can pm if you like and I will break it down.


Anway, mackepa I hope I have not derailed your thread. Please let us know how the 3i experiment works out, it's going to be interesting.

[Pepperturbo]

You obviously can't do it and probably don't carry a 2i ... so it matters not what anyone is able to do if you can't.

[williamo]

Ofcourse are some PGA players capable to hit a 2iron 220yards and get it spin(get it to stop).

Didn't read the whole thread but from what I wrote I understood this....