National Tresurer: `1 Lesson: The Modern Fundamental of Golfs'

[JBOMB808]

I'm going to rock the 'Hogan's secret' debate and say it's his grip.

 

Reasoning being is it's the FIRST CHAPTER., and it seems to contain very detailed 'feel' information and direction. The ONLY CONNECTION to the club.

Left hand in proper position for control and even the right hand has a specific 'feel' in it's (in)activity in the swing. Much like how Bobby Jones described it in his video.

 

His UN-matched 'visual' of clubhead lag. No One seems to come ANYWHERE close to Hogan's action INTO impact.

 

Hogan's LOOKING at his grip on the cover...

WATCH the Follow-through 'move'. What 'feel' creates that?

[JBOMB808]

[TeeAce]

Put attention to his tailbone move also. Balancing forces all the time.

[doram101]

Tailbone and it's. Release are part of macs teachings for 25 plus years, nothing new

[TeeAce]

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Tailbone and it's. Release are part of macs teachings for 25 plus years, nothing new
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This starts to be really funny

One guy with multiple nicks yellowing MORAD in every corner.

But I agree... nothing new for some of us, but so much for many many players who are completely missing this.. and still playing at ET or PGA tour. Also for many instructors

[svsvincenzo]

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[quote name='doram101' timestamp='1348997607' post='5721803']
Tailbone and it's. Release are part of macs teachings for 25 plus years, nothing new
[/quote]

This starts to be really funny

One guy with multiple nicks yellowing MORAD in every corner.

But I agree... nothing new for some of us, but so much for many many players who are completely missing this.. and still playing at ET or PGA tour. Also for many instructors
[/quote]

How then do you do the tailbone release?

There so many questions you've been evading. About time to answer them. You sure can't do it, so I highly doubt you know it.

[svsvincenzo]

Btw, that tailbone release is in 5L...lol

[tylerdurden]

 

Do you have the video of this swing or know where I can find it? Not many post secret pre accident driver swings from DTL. I NEED IT!!!!!!!!

[TeeAce]

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[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348998642' post='5721823']
[quote name='doram101' timestamp='1348997607' post='5721803']
Tailbone and it's. Release are part of macs teachings for 25 plus years, nothing new
[/quote]

This starts to be really funny

One guy with multiple nicks yellowing MORAD in every corner.

But I agree... nothing new for some of us, but so much for many many players who are completely missing this.. and still playing at ET or PGA tour. Also for many instructors
[/quote]

How then do you do the tailbone release?

There so many questions you've been evading. About time to answer them. You sure can't do it, so I highly doubt you know it.
[/quote]

Do you really think something that visible and simple should be part of discussion? No way man... there is so much more hidden and complicated things in Hogans swing. I have been teaching that lower body action almost 20 years now and at this time of the year about only that with many different drills. All our physical training starts from that.

[drewspin]

 

Do you have the video of this swing or know where I can find it? Not many post secret pre accident driver swings from DTL. I NEED IT!!!!!!!!

 

His 1943 swing there. "Don't Hook Now" - - ironic, cause he was still hookin!

 

[tylerdurden]

Thanks Drew. That's really interesting. It looks like a good swing to me but maybe he was still hooking then because how deep he got his hands in the backswing? To me it looks like his arms work way more in and across him in that swing vs. more in front of him post '46. I didn't realize it at first. Any thoughts?

[JBOMB808]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1349110686' post='5731117']
Thanks Drew. That's really interesting. It looks like a good swing to me but maybe he was still hooking then because how deep he got his hands in the backswing? To me it looks like his arms work way more in and across him in that swing vs. more in front of him post '46. I didn't realize it at first. Any thoughts?
[/quote]

I second that TD, the 'in and across' is definitely there compared to his 'compact' move later on. To be honest, I've been really looking at Tiger's 2000 swing with that 'compact' look. and comparing it to Hogan's post-secret swing. Tiger's is steeper because of his height of course, but otherwise they have a 'connected' pivot into/through impact.

[tylerdurden]

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[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1349110686' post='5731117']
Thanks Drew. That's really interesting. It looks like a good swing to me but maybe he was still hooking then because how deep he got his hands in the backswing? To me it looks like his arms work way more in and across him in that swing vs. more in front of him post '46. I didn't realize it at first. Any thoughts?
[/quote]

I second that TD, the 'in and across' is definitely there compared to his 'compact' move later on. To be honest, I've been really looking at Tiger's 2000 swing with that 'compact' look. and comparing it to Hogan's post-secret swing. Tiger's is steeper because of his height of course, but otherwise they have a 'connected' pivot into/through impact.
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I'm curious what you mean by the compact look. I always thought of compact meaning shorter arm swing but haven't heard it much. Do you mean arms more in front throughout backswing?

Either way, I agree with what I think you're saying about tiger around 2000. His iron swing was AWESOME. 2000 british open watching him hit irons off the tee, it was just beautiful. Driver swing was obviously a lot more effective too. I do agree there's some Hogan traits in it too. Certainly there's some differences, some in technique others because completely different builds, but it was still a work of art.

On a side note, it's sad to see him struggle now. I'm a huge Tiger fan, but I think some of the stuff it seems like he's trying to do is just flat out wrong. His upper and lower body with a driver is WAY more left than Hogan was through impact. His left knee doesn't lead his left him enough, so he has too stall jump (because IMO you can keep rotating if left hip is more left than left knee, and Hogan NEVER did this). And worst of all, this idea that both arms should be strait at impact. I know at one point that's what foley wanted tiger and hunter doing, and I just dont understand how you can possibly control the club with both arms strait at impact. That said, Tiger is currently doing some great things in his backswing IMO. Just a handful of things that are killing him when he's under the gun (weekend of US Open and PGA).

[drewspin]

Perhaps his grip changes in Septemper 1947 on the range at colonial brought a new element of freedom and control and he got more out of less.

Or maybe its all just obvious common knowledge and there are no secrets left.

[tylerdurden]

I think the grip changes are relevant I but I think (stressing think because I don't know much of anything for sure) there were other issues in his pre secret swing that the grip change couldn't fix alone. For instance in the 1943 swing you posted, how the arms work deeper and more across the body, almost like Rory. He still hold leverage through impact but you can see the swing was a little more in to out. I just don't know if a grip change would fix that.