hands at address..discussion

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
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Good explanation there.

[kwagga]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1368618509' post='7038946']
you have very little 3 in either swing and disrupt it with a wipe across it on the lower plane
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Eight, agree that there can be more 3 going back with different turning rates etc. just a quick swing to illustrate the feeling of holding 2 longer coming down whilst kicking 3 harder and vice versa and effects..

[InaSilentWay]

What is meant by "tipped " out? I've heard Dan, now kwag use it.

tia

[kwagga]

[quote name='InaSilentWay' timestamp='1368624038' post='7039430']
What is meant by "tipped " out? I've heard Dan, now kwag use it.

tia
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Clubhead appear outside hands more from down the line....

[tembolo1284]

wagga...you wouldn't happen to be from wagga wagga would you?

Elkie is that you? Can you get Jackie Burke to give me an autograph?

[tylerdurden]

[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
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Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
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You are seeing the club coming in on a shallower path. It's more about how much pa3 is retained through impact. Notice on the left the club head is more towards the outside of his hands at p6. He is set up to have a bigger angle at impact there. The club head is already out toward the ball so his hands can stay low and in. On the right the club head is a little behind his hands, creating less Pa3 angle at impact as he will have to raise the handle to get the club head out to the ball. Not that one or the other is better I just see that as the difference.

[tylerdurden]

Awesome thanks for the explanation. So you can go from having more PA3 at P6 to less at impact and the same goes with the other way around?

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
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Jbl number 2 lol

Or maybe I had it backwards. Looks like the wiping cut with sweetspot high off the ground is more 3(swing on left).

Im tempted to blame my steepness issues on it.

The video wasn't what I expected though. I had some missing pieces.

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368628112' post='7039942']
Awesome thanks for the explanation. So you can go from having more PA3 at P6 to less at impact and the same goes with the other way around?
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Don't think it works the other way around, but yes you can go from having more at P6 to less at impact. As the left wrist uncocks and the handle is raised the angle gets smaller.

[tylerdurden]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368628753' post='7040038']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
[/quote]

Jbl number 2 lol

Or maybe I had it backwards. Looks like the wiping cut with sweetspot high off the ground is more 3(swing on left).

Im tempted to blame my steepness issues on it.

The video wasn't what I expected though. I had some missing pieces.
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lol I'm the first to admit I'm ignorant on all this stuff.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368630640' post='7040280']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368628753' post='7040038']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
[/quote]

Jbl number 2 lol

Or maybe I had it backwards. Looks like the wiping cut with sweetspot high off the ground is more 3(swing on left).

Im tempted to blame my steepness issues on it.

The video wasn't what I expected though. I had some missing pieces.
[/quote]

lol I'm the first to admit I'm ignorant on all this stuff.
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I don't know enough to confidently say I'm not ignorant. I do like uncovering technical things to blame the steepness on. It drives my thirst for knowledge

[jblacoustics]

You think you can alter #3 accum angle during the swing moreso in DS? Visually you can, but the built-in angle is the same IMO. So you're actually just trying to delay or slow down release of #2...and hence #3...so you don't steepen the shaft.

If however we have big #3 built in, the shaft steepness inherent in a big #3 angle can be solved not by having a smaller #3 but by shifting out the hands and maintaining the pitch elbow and angles (L wrist, R wrist, R elbow).

These are not facts though as someone claims...lol...JMHO...

[jblacoustics]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368632332' post='7040556']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368630640' post='7040280']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368628753' post='7040038']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']

Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
[/quote]

Jbl number 2 lol

Or maybe I had it backwards. Looks like the wiping cut with sweetspot high off the ground is more 3(swing on left).

Im tempted to blame my steepness issues on it.

The video wasn't what I expected though. I had some missing pieces.
[/quote]

lol I'm the first to admit I'm ignorant on all this stuff.
[/quote]

I don't know enough to confidently say I'm not ignorant. I do like uncovering technical things to blame the steepness on. It drives my thirst for knowledge
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So you believe the way to unsteepen it is to make the #3 angle smaller?...lol...good luck with that sir...

[jblacoustics]

How can you know who's side is not confused if you don't understand both sides??...rofl

[tylerdurden]

JBL can you post your swing just for fun?

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='jblacoustics' timestamp='1368633137' post='7040642']
You think you can alter #3 accum angle during the swing moreso in DS? Visually you can, but the built-in angle is the same IMO. So you're actually just trying to delay or slow down release of #2...and hence #3...so you don't steepen the shaft.

If however we have big #3 built in, the shaft steepness inherent in a big #3 angle can be solved not by having a smaller #3 but by shifting out the hands and maintaining the pitch elbow and angles (L wrist, R wrist, R elbow).

These are not facts though as someone claims...lol...JMHO...
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Big PA3 angle makes for a steep AOA not a steep shaft. And if you shift out the hands (raise the handle)you will steepen the shaft and either undo your pa3 angle or else miss the ball. Again, it seems like you might have a lot of the stuff backwards.

[jblacoustics]

[quote name='JPeacockGolf' timestamp='1368627761' post='7039884']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
[/quote]
You are seeing the club coming in on a shallower path. It's more about how much pa3 is retained through impact. Notice on the left the club head is more towards the outside of his hands at p6. He is set up to have a bigger angle at impact there. The club head is already out toward the ball so his hands can stay low and in. On the right the club head is a little behind his hands, creating less Pa3 angle at impact as he will have to raise the handle to get the club head out to the ball. Not that one or the other is better I just see that as the difference.
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All those PA3 angle you mentioned are actually #2 unreleased IMO. #3 angle and the amount of clubhead travel doesn't change from setup to impact, unless obviously you loosen and let the shaft move on your grip/hands during the swing.

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='jblacoustics' timestamp='1368634439' post='7040798']
[quote name='JPeacockGolf' timestamp='1368627761' post='7039884']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1368626034' post='7039640']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368614280' post='7038750']
A little more on PA3

[media=]http://youtu.be/Fw4Vi0tqOxo[/media]
[/quote]


Thanks for the video. To me it looks like you have more PA3 on the right than on the left when you compare both swings at p6. Am I missing something?
[/quote]
You are seeing the club coming in on a shallower path. It's more about how much pa3 is retained through impact. Notice on the left the club head is more towards the outside of his hands at p6. He is set up to have a bigger angle at impact there. The club head is already out toward the ball so his hands can stay low and in. On the right the club head is a little behind his hands, creating less Pa3 angle at impact as he will have to raise the handle to get the club head out to the ball. Not that one or the other is better I just see that as the difference.
[/quote]

All those PA3 angle you mentioned are actually #2 unreleased IMO. #3 angle and the amount of clubhead travel doesn't change from setup to impact, unless obviously you loosen and let the shaft move on your grip/hands during the swing.
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Unreleased #2accum creates a big #3accum ANGLE. You are confusing the actual #3accum with the #3accum ANGLE. Which is directly related to the #2accum.

The #3accum angle is the dimension in which the #3accum works. The #2accum has a direct effect on this.

[PingG10guy]

Pcock...youre gonna need pictures with lines and sh1t to convince him. Just sayin. Otherwise he will think he's correct.

And honestly I had the 2 confused as well. The light is getting brighter

[kwagga]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368638892' post='7041320']
Pcock...youre gonna need pictures with lines and sh1t to convince him. Just sayin. Otherwise he will think he's correct.

And honestly I had the 2 confused as well. The light is getting brighter
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Dont think anything can convince JBL, lol.....Dan could not have made it any clearer. Needs to seperate and then tie in Acc 3 travel or roll , Acc 3 angle and no 2 i.e wristcock and it effects, complex issue.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368639351' post='7041386']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368638892' post='7041320']
Pcock...youre gonna need pictures with lines and sh1t to convince him. Just sayin. Otherwise he will think he's correct.

And honestly I had the 2 confused as well. The light is getting brighter
[/quote]

Dont think anything can convince JBL, lol.....Dan could not have made it any clearer. Needs to seperate and then tie in Acc 3 travel or roll , Acc 3 angle and no 2 i.e wristcock and it effects, complex issue.
[/quote]what helped YOU understand it? Just curious

[chrisgilly09]

Still confused...#3 only available with L wristc0ck, but you shouldn't roll with c0cked L wrist. My theory is #3 is theoretical lol

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='chrisgilly09' timestamp='1368640945' post='7041586']
Still confused...#3 only available with L wristc0ck, but you shouldn't roll with c0cked L wrist. My theory is #3 is theoretical lol
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Shouldn't roll at a faster rate than you uncock or you'll steepen shaft. But it's going from cocked to level. So it's uncocking but not uncocked. There is only no angle if wrist is fully uncocked. There is plenty of angle with a level left wrist

[kwagga]

[quote name='chrisgilly09' timestamp='1368640945' post='7041586']
Still confused...#3 only available with L wristc0ck, but you shouldn't roll with c0cked L wrist. My theory is #3 is theoretical lol
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Dont want to use lots of 3 with let wrist fully cocked, ouch...

[kwagga]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1368641369' post='7041614']
[quote name='chrisgilly09' timestamp='1368640945' post='7041586']
Still confused...#3 only available with L wristc0ck, but you shouldn't roll with c0cked L wrist. My theory is #3 is theoretical lol
[/quote]
Shouldn't roll at a faster rate than you uncock or you'll steepen shaft. But it's going from cocked to level. So it's uncorking but not uncocked
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Uncocking not uncorking, lol.. but completely correct

[kwagga]

Remember , Acc. release sequence is 4,1,2,3..dont want 3 to go earlier than 2, overlap though..JBL, Dan, and others, knows the stuff and should you care to listen and not constantly argue there is lots that he can offer on a forum such as this...just my 2 cents

[kwagga]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368639770' post='7041444']
[quote name='kwagga' timestamp='1368639351' post='7041386']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368638892' post='7041320']
Pcock...youre gonna need pictures with lines and sh1t to convince him. Just sayin. Otherwise he will think he's correct.

And honestly I had the 2 confused as well. The light is getting brighter
[/quote]

Dont think anything can convince JBL, lol.....Dan could not have made it any clearer. Needs to seperate and then tie in Acc 3 travel or roll , Acc 3 angle and no 2 i.e wristcock and it effects, complex issue.
[/quote]what helped YOU understand it? Just curious
[/quote]

More time that I care to admit with those in the know and learning every day...

[PingG10guy]

Wow. Thanks to all who participated. Again lol

To tie things together I have a question. If you set handle higher and further under chin at P1 then wouldn't having pa2 late in the ds and creating a bigger pa3 angle null each other out? Would you need handle on the high side since the hands would be lower at impact due to pa3 angle?

[Pinsplitter59]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1368651560' post='7042758']
Wow. Thanks to all who participated. Again lol

To tie things together I have a question. If you set handle higher and further under chin at P1 then wouldn't having pa2 late in the ds and creating a bigger pa3 angle null each other out? Would you need handle on the high side since the hands would be lower at impact due to pa3 angle?
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uhhhhhhh???? Can I quote that next time i give a high handicap mate a tip?