Some ideas about the trail arm straightening

[pick it up]

I'm still waiting on someone with a 10-2-B grip, aka not super strong left hand, to post a picture of them with a fully set left wrist with a level right wrist. Please explain how both wrist are vertical and level at address yet when the left wrist is cocked the right wrist will remain level without moving the hands on the grip.

 

Try this at home. Put both hands together like you are praying with both wrist level with arms extended. Now c0ck the left wrist only keeping the right hand in the same position. Now till me how this could happen without breaking the club in half/bending the shaft.

 

Mr Hogan didnt call it a SECRET for nothing.

 

Dont try this at home. Its a genetic thing, or is it Magic?

 

 

Nah it's this.....

 

 

 

 

[iteachgolf]

I'm still waiting on someone with a 10-2-B grip, aka not super strong left hand, to post a picture of them with a fully set left wrist with a level right wrist. Please explain how both wrist are vertical and level at address yet when the left wrist is cocked the right wrist will remain level without moving the hands on the grip.

 

Try this at home. Put both hands together like you are praying with both wrist level with arms extended. Now c0ck the left wrist only keeping the right hand in the same position. Now till me how this could happen without breaking the club in half/bending the shaft.

 

Mr Hogan didnt call it a SECRET for nothing.

 

Dont try this at home. Its a genetic thing, or is it Magic?

 

Mr. Hogan had an extremely cocked right wrist

 

 

 

Mr and Mrs Millbrook figured it out.

 

except that if the bottom of hand/pinkie is inline with the bottom of forearm the wrist in fact COCKED. Not level This would not lay flat on a table.

 

 

 

But this which is cocked would lay flat on a table

[iteachgolf]

Watch the video I made and explain to me how one wrist can c0ck and the other won't but both wrist start level and vertical at address. It's physically not gonna happen

[mikah]

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[media=]http://youtu.be/eaiYMW5Cuhc[/media]
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ok you figured it out. Lets move on.
there is no more interest in magic when you know how its done.
spoon bending anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwmrB5lWfg#t=128

[pick it up]

Yeah that's why you need to know that radial deviation isn't the same as ulnar deviation!

[pick it up]

No magic involved ...just get educated.

[pinhigh27]

yeah those are clearly magic driveway markers, must be the parallax

[northgolf]

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[quote name='northgolf' timestamp='1416445238' post='10475263']
Do you believe in MAGIC....

Seriously, get a room (the more padded the better).
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Using a cross against me? Oy vey boo-ba-la, do you have the wrong vampire.

[Lake]

You are 100% right in your explanation...but way off in TGM's version...not saying that it's "the" way at all...just had it explained to me by multiple students of the man. The left wrist can be cocked minimally w/o the right wrist cocking to the same degree at "top" or "p4" if you look like Steve Stricker...you would have to have a 10-2-B grip where the thumb of the left hand was on the aft side of the grip...and you would have to have the palm of the right hand covering the left hand's thumb...most people have a right hand grip more in the fingers...and this works via the book description if the left hand is held in the fingers w/ the right hand supporting the shaft more in the palm.

If you a had a digital goniometer on both wrist w/ a TGM Homer Kelley description...the right wrist would deviate...but not to the same extant as the left...that being said...this is not how most Tour players play...and the wrist move all over the damn place in most Tour quality swings...but they more consistent w/ how they move it than us

[northgolf]

I'm still waiting on someone with a 10-2-B grip, aka not super strong left hand, to post a picture of them with a fully set left wrist with a level right wrist. Please explain how both wrist are vertical and level at address yet when the left wrist is cocked the right wrist will remain level without moving the hands on the grip.

 

Try this at home. Put both hands together like you are praying with both wrist level with arms extended. Now c0ck the left wrist only keeping the right hand in the same position. Now till me how this could happen without breaking the club in half/bending the shaft.

 

Mr Hogan didnt call it a SECRET for nothing.

 

Dont try this at home. Its a genetic thing, or is it Magic?

 

Mr. Hogan had an extremely cocked right wrist

 

 

 

Mr and Mrs Millbrook figured it out.

 

except that if the bottom of hand/pinkie is inline with the bottom of forearm the wrist in fact COCKED. Not level This would not lay flat on a table.

 

 

 

But this which is cocked would lay flat on a table

 

ITeach, you're doing yeoman work here, but it is hard to teach a guy who swings with no c0ck what it means to have c0ck when you're swinging.

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416454118' post='10476209']
You are 100% right in your explanation...but way off in TGM's version...not saying that it's "the" way at all...just had it explained to me by multiple students of the man. The left wrist can be cocked minimally w/o the right wrist cocking to the same degree at "top" or "p4" if you look like Steve Stricker...you would have to have a 10-2-B grip where the thumb of the left hand was on the aft side of the grip...and you would have to have the palm of the right hand covering the left hand's thumb...most people have a right hand grip more in the fingers...and this works via the book description if the left hand is held in the fingers w/ the right hand supporting the shaft more in the palm.

If you a had a digital goniometer on both wrist w/ a TGM Homer Kelley description...the right wrist would deviate...but not to the same extant as the left...that being said...this is not how most Tour players play...and the wrist move all over the damn place in most Tour quality swings...but they more consistent w/ how they move it than us
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If left hand was rotated 90* to the right you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck. The more the left hand is rotated the less the left wrist c0ck will force the right to c0ck. But it will still c0ck. Just to a lesser extent because the cocking is no longer vertical but both up and back. This is why I always qualified that the backswing had to have left wrist FULLY cocked. Never said they cocked the same amount just that the right wrist cocked in all swings where left wrist is fully cocked since nobody actually grips the club with hands perpendicular to one another. There is literally only one way to hold the club and fully c0ck the left wrist without also cocking the right. People just don't hold a golf club that way in reality. Like I said if you fully c0ck the left wrist the right will not be level. How much it cocks will depend on grip type. But it will c0ck none the less.

[Lake]

The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan

[mikah]

[color=#282828]If left hand was rotated 90* to the right (pronation?)you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck.[/color]




[color=#282828]What did Homer write about , Flying Wedges? (6B301)[/color]
[color=#282828]'right angles to the left arm plane'[/color]

[color=#282828]SAY MY NAME[/color]

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
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But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1416456131' post='10476353']
[color=#282828]If left hand was rotated 90* to the right (pronation?)you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck.[/color]




[color=#282828]What did Homer write about , Flying Wedges? (6B301)[/color]
[color=#282828]'right angles to the left arm plane'[/color]

[color=#282828]SAY MY NAME[/color]
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Again your lack of understanding and ignorance is profound and comical. If the left arm were rotated 90* in relation to the right the "flying wedges" would be parallel. Meaning the left wrist c0ck and the right wrist bend would be happening in the same plane. Hence the reason why you could c0ck the left without cocking the right. The whole point of the video was that if they are truly at right angles to each other than you cannot c0ck one without cocking the other.

[mikah]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
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But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
[/quote][quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
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But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
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read the book. Right wrist is level (TGM speak), when its perpendicular to left arm plane.

[mikah]

[color=#282828]If left hand was rotated 90* to the right you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck[/color]


[color=#282828]This was your post[/color]


[color=#282828]Are you arguing with yourself? [/color]


[color=#282828]Say Good Night Gracie[/color]

[Lake]

I would say they r wrong...haven't seen Riegger's

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1416456504' post='10476373']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
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But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
[/quote][quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
[/quote]

But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
[/quote]


read the book. Right wrist is level (TGM speak), when its perpendicular to left arm plane.
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I've read the book. Right wrist is level when the first joint in the hand is parallel to the forearm. Hogan's right wrist is cocked, and actually VERY cocked at the end of his backswing

[Lake]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1416456504' post='10476373']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
[/quote]

But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
[/quote][quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1416456152' post='10476355']
[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
[/quote]

But according to them Hogan's right wrist was level. And so is Riegger's
[/quote]


read the book. Right wrist is level (TGM speak), when its perpendicular to left arm plane.
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No:

[b]6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES [/b]The Clubhead may [i]appear [/i]to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter 8) [b]the entire Left Arm, [/b]the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – [b]the Right Forearm [/b]and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on [b]the plane of the Right Wrist Bend [/b]AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

The right forearm is at right angles to the left arm plane.... there are comas there

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1416456654' post='10476387']
[color=#282828]If left hand was rotated 90* to the right you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck[/color]


[color=#282828]This was your post[/color]


[color=#282828]Are you arguing with yourself? [/color]


[color=#282828]Say Good Night Gracie[/color]
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Again you don't understand that by rotating the left arm 90* the flying wedges become parallel. They are only at right angles when both are level. Meaning the right wrist bend is 90* to the cocking of the left wrist. If the left arm is rotated 90* (the back of the left hand is no longer laying in the same flat plane as the left arm and clubshaft, its rotated 90* to it) the cocking of the left wrist is now parallel to the right wrist bend meaning they are parallel to one another and not at a right angle. You are actually proving me right and making yourself look dumb without knowing it

[iteachgolf]

 

Here is Riegger pards

[chrisgilly09]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1416456131' post='10476353']
[color=#282828]If left hand was rotated 90* to the right (pronation?)you could c0ck the left and bend the right without having any right wrist c0ck.[/color]




[color=#282828]What did Homer write about , Flying Wedges? (6B301)[/color]
[color=#282828]'right angles to the left arm plane'[/color]

[color=#282828]SAY MY NAME[/color]
[/quote]

russc

[Lake]

Riegger looks great...check this pic of Maco

[ej002]

Looks like Mickelson or Tembolo

[chrisgilly09]

Practice swing ^

[Lake]

Yes it is Chris...and I like those more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtOEUAp2HQ

[chrisgilly09]

Agreed I love em

[Biomateur]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1416455999' post='10476341']
The only way to fully set the right wrist and not cross the line at p4 is to is to have maximum external rotation of the right shoulder....ala Ben Hogan
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Right. Maximum ext rotation but with shoulder protraction. Retraction brings looseness.

[Biomateur]

Unique situation to make right wrist close to level at the top is when:
* right hand grip is much weaker than left
* left wrist is very bowed at the top
* backswing ends long before parallel
Imagine old Trevino with a very weak right hand. Probably almost no right wrist c0ck. But this is only hypothetic situation. Very uncomfortable feeling.