The secret to hitting the sweetspot with any club

[Golfrnut]

So what's the point of any of this?

 

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

 

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

 

The guy has a really good point, but he doesnt sell it very well, I fell his pain as it always happen to me. There is what he says and what you might first perceive. And then there is what he want to say or what he is trying to say. I also think that "feeling the cog" is a big call and a long shot. Aligning the shaft with the center of the gravity of the club at the top of the backswing is very understandable though. And swinging your club like you would try to keep those 2 axis aligned on the same plane the longer possible can also makes sense. But then your face is open, like stated above, the club might need some help or square the face. I like the concept thet the shaft rotates behind the club head and cog isntead of tryong to rotate the head in front of the shaft. Its way easier and less demanding to turn a 130 g shaft on its axis than to turn a 300g head off its trajectory and momentum.

 

Ive hit trying to hit the sweetspot the whole summer and ive been hitting the toe the whole summer. I wish I read that in april.

 

If you dont understand or disagree(but there is nothing here to agree with or disagree), just comment " hey, its nice that this feeling works for you, this intention or whatever, as long as it works for you"

 

And it seems to me that they effectively understand something in the golf swing. They understand that the cog of the whole club isnt aligned with the shaft. And that its way more efficient to keep the cog plane of the club aligned with the shaft plane the the longer possible, or the intention of it or whatever. And if you do that, the cog of the club head will find its way on the ball. Might need some help to square the face somehow though, but cog will be the on the ball, with face open closed or squared hopefully.

 

But im probably a third delusional ego speculating on the golf swing as my master in mechanical engineering though me nothing about simple physics, oh wait.

 

 

Mac is nothing more than more than one more username on here created by the same guy that gets constantly banned. The CG has been measured/tracked before, it's not new material. I posted the link in this thread already. It's nowhere near aligned anywhere near impact. It's just the same two usernames, which I am pretty sure are one in the same person trying to stroke their own alter egos, posting the same dribble over and over again. Ol Mac, Strike Force, 'Strike Farce' (just showed up), plus who knows how many others...are doing nothing more than trying to pollute the forums.

 

I think the intent of a lot of these "trolls" is to indirectly discredit the instructors who give free advice here either due to jealousy or past history.

 

True. And a sever case of Histrionic Personality Disorder.

[Ipreach]

Here's another Manzella video on shanking that gets into the sweetspot and it's orientation to the shaft plane in the swing and it's affect on shanking. If nothing else it may help illuminate the concept of the SS moving from being on the shaft plane to moving off it on the downswing.

 

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If you want to add credibility to a thread just insert a Manzella video. Said absolutely no one ever. Might as well throw in some Joe Mayo quotes FFS.

[Mattz]

Haaa kk, I missed something about the egos thing hehe sorry.

 

And he may be trolling on some sutff I dont know.

 

I just think though that its a good idea to understand that you can align one of the axis of the cog of the club with your swing plane sometimes in the backswing and in the downswing.

[Over it]

Here's another Manzella video on shanking that gets into the sweetspot and it's orientation to the shaft plane in the swing and it's affect on shanking. If nothing else it may help illuminate the concept of the SS moving from being on the shaft plane to moving off it on the downswing.

 

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If you want to add credibility to a thread just insert a Manzella video. Said absolutely no one ever. Might as well throw in some Joe Mayo quotes FFS.

 

 

 

Yeah you're right this thread/theory lacks credibility big time!

[Golfrnut]

Haaa kk, I missed something about the egos thing hehe sorry. And he may be trolling on some sutff I dont know. I just think though that its a good idea to understand that you can align one of the axis of the cog of the club with your swing plane sometimes in the backswing and in the downswing.

 

 

You can add IPreach to that list...obviously

[chrisgilly09]

Ipreach clearly projecting with that first post, gargle some mouthwash instead

[Jasonic]

We are all just cogs in a bigger game

[Strike Force]

Here is a video of Luke Donald hitting a mid iron in slow motion. Watch how Luke addresses the ball very close to the hosel of the club. Also, note in the slow motion how the hosel end of the shaft droops down and the sweet spot of the clubface contacts the golf ball.

 

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Luke Donald, much like Pat Perez in the other video, addresses the ball very close to the hosel. Luke Donald appears to never quite allow the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane to match alignments on his inclined swing plane - always leaving the clubface a bit closed to the swing plane, which is probably his means of being able to feel the sweet spot from the beginning of his downswing.

 

If the two planes (sweet spot & clubshaft) do align at the top or during the downswing the feel for the sweet spot becomes 'hidden' because the sweet spot is on the exact same plane as the end of the clubshaft (and hosel). It should be noted that it is common for many golfers to have the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane to match alignments where they both lay in-line and on the same plane as the inclined swing plane - and in this case the golfer cannot feel the club's sweet spot until he begins to rotate the sweet spot off from the clubshaft plane, which usually happens deeper in the downswing compared to the golfer that never aligns these two (sweet spot & clubshaft) planes. The golfer that aligns the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane has his clubface rotated a 1/4 turn (90°) to lay flat on his inclined swing plane. Whereas the golfer that never quite aligns his sweet spot plane with his clubshaft plane has his clubface slightly less rotated (i.e. referred to as a bit closed) at the top and into the downswing, which oftentimes is purposely done to allow him to feel the sweet spot plane earlier in the downswing. Regardless of whether or not the golfer matches alignments of the sweet spot plane and clubshaft plane at the top or downswing (either method is perfectly fine), the Cg or sweet spot of the clubhead will go through the impact zone as-if it was in a direct line with the grip cap of the butt end of the shaft. In other words, the sweet spot will go through the impact zone as-if it was a weight at the tip of the shaft. For the sweet spot to go through the impact zone like this the hosel end of the shaft is displaced and droops to 'make way' for the heavier Cg sweet spot, which is simply the forces of physics working...as long as you do not try to interfere by trying to manipulate it, such as trying to force the clubface to rotate around the shaft into a square or closed position.

 

Since the tip end of the shaft rotates about or around the much heavier clubhead's Cg or sweet spot (as Macogardy demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer doesn't have to manipulate the clubface to rotate around the clubshaft, which is what most amateurs think they must do which is just fighting against physics. In addition, for a golfer to 'swing the sweet spot' (as 'Macogardy' demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer needs to be able to feel the sweet spot so they can swing it, but many people have a difficult time feeling it. So, as Macogardy suggested, golfers should swing the club like it is a dowel (or a practice alignment rod) with a weight on the very end...and purposely try to hit a shank in order to get the feel for the club's sweet spot being where they 'expect' the hosel to be at impact. A few solid strikes dead on the sweet spot will have you shaking your head with a huge smile on your face - it will make a believer of you! Anyway, after a while if you still cannot 'feel' the sweet spot - it's not the end of the world. You will soon gain a feel and the confidence to know how the clubshaft reacts and where your clubhead's sweet spot passes when it is swung ... and all while not trying to forcibly manipulate the clubhead [clubface] to rotate around the clubshaft. Remember, it is the shaft that revolves about the sweet spot!

[Macogardy]

Good post

 

It's good practice to try to hit the ball vertically in different spots. Everyone gets so mechanic bound thinking that they are hitting it bad because of early extension or there clubface plane is off or they are too flat or too upright , there is a major winner on tour that does at least one of those regularly but they still hit the sweetspot consistently.

 

You'd be suprised how offline a poorly struck shot high on the face can be.

 

Next time you go to the range try to hit a 9 iron at a pin and hit 5 balls normal, then try hitting 5 balls slightly thin a groove lower than you normally do but still hit down. You will be suprised how much your consistenty of those 5 shots gets.

 

This is based on how the average golfer hits too high on the face this the divots that start at the all instead of after

[Range Rodent]

Since the tip end of the shaft rotates about or around the much heavier clubhead's Cg or sweet spot (as Macogardy demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer doesn't have to manipulate the clubface to rotate around the clubshaft, which is what most amateurs think they must do which is just fighting against physics. In addition, for a golfer to 'swing the sweet spot' (as 'Macogardy' demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer needs to be able to feel the sweet spot so they can swing it, but many people have a difficult time feeling it. So, as Macogardy suggested, golfers should swing the club like it is a dowel (or a practice alignment rod) with a weight on the very end...and purposely try to hit a shank in order to get the feel for the club's sweet spot being where they 'expect' the hosel to be at impact. A few solid strikes dead on the sweet spot will have you shaking your head with a huge smile on your face - it will make a believer of you! Anyway, after a while if you still cannot 'feel' the sweet spot - it's not the end of the world. You will soon gain a feel and the confidence to know how the clubshaft reacts and where your clubhead's sweet spot passes when it is swung ... and all while not trying to forcibly manipulate the clubhead [clubface] to rotate around the clubshaft. Remember, it is the shaft that revolves about the sweet spot!

 

Vid in 1st post doesn't explain the bolded. How bout a better tech explanation of how the shaft revolves around the sweet spot when the shaft is attached to the clubhead housing the sweet spot ?

[Range Rodent]

Good post

 

It's good practice to try to hit the ball vertically in different spots. Everyone gets so mechanic bound thinking that they are hitting it bad because of early extension or there clubface plane is off or they are too flat or too upright , there is a major winner on tour that does at least one of those regularly but they still hit the sweetspot consistently.

 

 

Major winner has been swinging like that for many years. Most ams need to fix their mechanics in order to hit the sweet spot at all.

[oxtail]

Since the tip end of the shaft rotates about or around the much heavier clubhead's Cg or sweet spot (as Macogardy demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer doesn't have to manipulate the clubface to rotate around the clubshaft, which is what most amateurs think they must do which is just fighting against physics. In addition, for a golfer to 'swing the sweet spot' (as 'Macogardy' demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer needs to be able to feel the sweet spot so they can swing it, but many people have a difficult time feeling it. So, as Macogardy suggested, golfers should swing the club like it is a dowel (or a practice alignment rod) with a weight on the very end...and purposely try to hit a shank in order to get the feel for the club's sweet spot being where they 'expect' the hosel to be at impact. A few solid strikes dead on the sweet spot will have you shaking your head with a huge smile on your face - it will make a believer of you! Anyway, after a while if you still cannot 'feel' the sweet spot - it's not the end of the world. You will soon gain a feel and the confidence to know how the clubshaft reacts and where your clubhead's sweet spot passes when it is swung ... and all while not trying to forcibly manipulate the clubhead [clubface] to rotate around the clubshaft. Remember, it is the shaft that revolves about the sweet spot!

 

Vid in 1st post doesn't explain the bolded. How bout a better tech explanation of how the shaft revolves around the sweet spot when the shaft is attached to the clubhead housing the sweet spot ?

 

I think he is saying that if you hang a club from the butt end, the shaft isn’t 90 degrees to the ground...and the “sweet spot” actually intersects the mg downward, so by symmetry the shaft moves around the sweet spot, which “stays” in one spot if you try to twist the club about its shaft. A time lapse photo would look like this: <>

 

Didn’t read the rest of the thread, please don’t hurt me, no idea how that applies to a swing, where there are forces coming from all over

[Over it]

Good post

 

It's good practice to try to hit the ball vertically in different spots. Everyone gets so mechanic bound thinking that they are hitting it bad because of early extension or there clubface plane is off or they are too flat or too upright , there is a major winner on tour that does at least one of those regularly but they still hit the sweetspot consistently.

 

You'd be suprised how offline a poorly struck shot high on the face can be.

 

Next time you go to the range try to hit a 9 iron at a pin and hit 5 balls normal, then try hitting 5 balls slightly thin a groove lower than you normally do but still hit down. You will be suprised how much your consistenty of those 5 shots gets.

 

This is based on how the average golfer hits too high on the face this the divots that start at the all instead of after

 

 

Lol! Mac is this for the average golfer who hits it all over the face, you want them to strike it one groove lower and slightly thin..hahaha! Dude they have no idea how to hit the same place twice in a row on the face never mind 5 balls "normal" then 5 thin but still down on it!

 

Leave the instruction to actual instructors that spend their lives teaching for a living and have shown actual case studies on this forum and on social media and have taught good ams., pros. and all the other various skill level golfers producing real improvement that is documented.

 

The Twilight Zone of instruction by Mac.

[Over it]

Here is a video of Luke Donald hitting a mid iron in slow motion. Watch how Luke addresses the ball very close to the hosel of the club. Also, note in the slow motion how the hosel end of the shaft droops down and the sweet spot of the clubface contacts the golf ball.

 

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Luke Donald, much like Pat Perez in the other video, addresses the ball very close to the hosel. Luke Donald appears to never quite allow the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane to match alignments on his inclined swing plane - always leaving the clubface a bit closed to the swing plane, which is probably his means of being able to feel the sweet spot from the beginning of his downswing.

 

If the two planes (sweet spot & clubshaft) do align at the top or during the downswing the feel for the sweet spot becomes 'hidden' because the sweet spot is on the exact same plane as the end of the clubshaft (and hosel). It should be noted that it is common for many golfers to have the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane to match alignments where they both lay in-line and on the same plane as the inclined swing plane - and in this case the golfer cannot feel the club's sweet spot until he begins to rotate the sweet spot off from the clubshaft plane, which usually happens deeper in the downswing compared to the golfer that never aligns these two (sweet spot & clubshaft) planes. The golfer that aligns the sweet spot plane and the clubshaft plane has his clubface rotated a 1/4 turn (90°) to lay flat on his inclined swing plane. Whereas the golfer that never quite aligns his sweet spot plane with his clubshaft plane has his clubface slightly less rotated (i.e. referred to as a bit closed) at the top and into the downswing, which oftentimes is purposely done to allow him to feel the sweet spot plane earlier in the downswing. Regardless of whether or not the golfer matches alignments of the sweet spot plane and clubshaft plane at the top or downswing (either method is perfectly fine), the Cg or sweet spot of the clubhead will go through the impact zone as-if it was in a direct line with the grip cap of the butt end of the shaft. In other words, the sweet spot will go through the impact zone as-if it was a weight at the tip of the shaft. For the sweet spot to go through the impact zone like this the hosel end of the shaft is displaced and droops to 'make way' for the heavier Cg sweet spot, which is simply the forces of physics working...as long as you do not try to interfere by trying to manipulate it, such as trying to force the clubface to rotate around the shaft into a square or closed position.

 

Since the tip end of the shaft rotates about or around the much heavier clubhead's Cg or sweet spot (as Macogardy demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer doesn't have to manipulate the clubface to rotate around the clubshaft, which is what most amateurs think they must do which is just fighting against physics. In addition, for a golfer to 'swing the sweet spot' (as 'Macogardy' demonstrated in his video in the opening post) a golfer needs to be able to feel the sweet spot so they can swing it, but many people have a difficult time feeling it. So, as Macogardy suggested, golfers should swing the club like it is a dowel (or a practice alignment rod) with a weight on the very end...and purposely try to hit a shank in order to get the feel for the club's sweet spot being where they 'expect' the hosel to be at impact. A few solid strikes dead on the sweet spot will have you shaking your head with a huge smile on your face - it will make a believer of you! Anyway, after a while if you still cannot 'feel' the sweet spot - it's not the end of the world. You will soon gain a feel and the confidence to know how the clubshaft reacts and where your clubhead's sweet spot passes when it is swung ... and all while not trying to forcibly manipulate the clubhead [clubface] to rotate around the clubshaft. Remember, it is the shaft that revolves about the sweet spot!

 

 

You're a dollar short and a day late was done by Manzella years ago. Plus you need to see a tour players lead arm and wrist graph, gamma torque is running rampant on the Tours!

 

 

2007

 

[sb944]

I tried swinging the hosel at the ball. Like you mentioned the club returns to the sweet spot, didn't shank it once. Same with the driver. But like many here mentioned, I have other issues going on, so am practicing my way through those. In doing so, I forgot all about the hosel trick, and after a while I'd realised I had hit a tonne of centre contact irons and drives thinking about completely different thoughts.

 

After following a lot of Montes stuff, I believe he is right about a fair few things, and definitely about the idea the subconscious brain will do everything it can to get centre contact, and thus has learned where the sweet spot is, without our conscious influence. This is why people can't think themselves out of early extension, because the subconscious realises the backswing issues are leaving it in a poor place, and won't let the club miss the ball, thus thrusts your body up late to get some decent contact, often right in the sweet spot.

[northgolf]

You guys make this game way to hard. The obvious answer is to liberally coat you clubs with sugar.

[Macogardy]

I think manZella learned that from me on the TGM forum or free golf info or when the manZella forum was real active about 10 years ago

 

 

[Macogardy]

My whole point when I was spinning the shaft between my hands from the video was that the sweetspot stayed still and the hosel and shaft rotated around it. And I showed the two clubs to show that one the blade made a smaller circle 2" vs the callaway made 3.25" circle because of the COG location.

 

My point about hitting it a groove low is intention, sure it makes it really hard to do if your a 30 hcp and have massive problems but I think any 15 or less would benefit from having the intention of a proper impact that I described earlier because the intention is the most important part. With the proper intention your brain will find a way to get the proper result even without optimal body movements.

[Strike Force]

Lots of good posts but let me try to add a slighty different lighting to the subject.

 

The sweetspot is indeed offset from the shaft and the shaft tends to rotate around the sweetspot if unperturbed. On the other hand, if you're overpowering the shaft you may force it to swing on plane and so the sweetspot is pulled of-circle / off-plane. The alternative is to allow for the sweetspot to swing on plane and the shaft to rotate around it, TGM calls that Hinge Action : program your body so that the hands allows the handle to rotate the right amount around impact, without steering.

 

Vous avez raison.

[Strike Force]

Good thread here gents. Pay no mind these brown nosing fluffers.

 

Their personal attacks and purposeless inflammatory posts are childish and add nothing to the thread. It's way past time they are dealt with for not abiding to the forum rules...

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[Macogardy]

Anyone ever tried hitting golf balls off concrete?