Using the line on the ball to line up your putt...

[Roadking2003]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > >

> > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > >

> > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.

> > >

> >

> > Although I do agree with your overall statement about usefulness of plum bobbing I disagree with the second part of it. Determining break is just what it is, i.e. determining break. Apart from that and on top of that comes grain, green speed and the pace. Those things you just have to take from your spine, not from plum bobbing or from any other way of determining the break.

>

> Plumb bobbing just gives you an approximation of how much tilt their is to the green where you are standing. Has nothing to do with the roll of the ball or the break off the putt.

 

Exactly. That's why it's inaccurate. When Jack, Tiger, Phil, etc start using it I'll get more interested.

[nsxguy]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > > >

> > > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > > >

> > > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores **grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.**

> > > >

> > >

> > > Although I do agree with your overall statement about usefulness of plum bobbing I disagree with the second part of it. Determining break is just what it is, i.e. determining break. Apart from that and on top of that comes grain, green speed and the pace. Those things you just have to take from your spine, not from plum bobbing or from any other way of determining the break.

> >

> > Plumb bobbing just gives you an approximation of how much tilt their is to the green where you are standing. Has nothing to do with the roll of the ball or the break off the putt.

>

> Exactly. That's why it's inaccurate. When Jack, Tiger, Phil, etc start using it I'll get more interested.

 

Is the grain your sole determinator of break ? Green speed ? Pace (although I'm not sure what the difference is between green speed and pace but,,,,,). Of course not.

 

Neither is plumb bobbing. As Shilgster said it only shows the difference between where the hole is and where you are, i.e. not the full story but sometimes a useful part of it.

[SNIPERBBB]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @SNIPERBBB said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > >

> > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > >

> > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.

> > >

> >

> > Aimpoint express is the modern version of plum bobbing.

>

> And appears to be just as ineffective as plum bobbing. Do any of the best putters on tour use it? Adam Scott uses it.......

 

It's pretty effective. At places like Augusta you might have to borrow your caddy's hands to have enough fingers.

[Roadking2003]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores **grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.**

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Although I do agree with your overall statement about usefulness of plum bobbing I disagree with the second part of it. Determining break is just what it is, i.e. determining break. Apart from that and on top of that comes grain, green speed and the pace. Those things you just have to take from your spine, not from plum bobbing or from any other way of determining the break.

> > >

> > > Plumb bobbing just gives you an approximation of how much tilt their is to the green where you are standing. Has nothing to do with the roll of the ball or the break off the putt.

> >

> > Exactly. That's why it's inaccurate. When Jack, Tiger, Phil, etc start using it I'll get more interested.

>

> Is the grain your sole determinator of break ? Green speed ? Pace (although I'm not sure what the difference is between green speed and pace but,,,,,). Of course not.

>

> Neither is plumb bobbing. As Shilgster said it only shows the difference between where the hole is and where you are, i.e. not the full story but sometimes a useful part of it.

 

Exactly! That's why it's so inaccurate.

[Roadking2003]

> @SNIPERBBB said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @SNIPERBBB said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > > >

> > > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > > >

> > > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Aimpoint express is the modern version of plum bobbing.

> >

> > And appears to be just as ineffective as plum bobbing. Do any of the best putters on tour use it? Adam Scott uses it.......

>

> It's pretty effective. At places like Augusta you might have to borrow your caddy's hands to have enough fingers.

 

Who are the good putters on tour who use it?

[nsxguy]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > > @RSinSG said:

> > > > > > >However, another fellow (who I really like and enjoy his company) is a poster child for what annoys the OP and others. He reads his putts from 360* - he plumb bobs them from DTL and the side, and then he fiddles with the line on the ball to get it "perfect." Then he yips the putt and repeats most of the above. He is the worlds worst putter from all lengths regularly missing 18" putts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you ever played with a good putter that plum bobs? I don't think I have.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plum bobbing is a very inaccurate method of determining break. It totally ignores **grain, green speed and the pace you hit your putt.**

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Although I do agree with your overall statement about usefulness of plum bobbing I disagree with the second part of it. Determining break is just what it is, i.e. determining break. Apart from that and on top of that comes grain, green speed and the pace. Those things you just have to take from your spine, not from plum bobbing or from any other way of determining the break.

> > > >

> > > > Plumb bobbing just gives you an approximation of how much tilt their is to the green where you are standing. Has nothing to do with the roll of the ball or the break off the putt.

> > >

> > > Exactly. That's why it's inaccurate. When Jack, Tiger, Phil, etc start using it I'll get more interested.

> >

> > Is the grain your sole determinator of break ? Green speed ? Pace (although I'm not sure what the difference is between green speed and pace but,,,,,). Of course not.

> >

> > Neither is plumb bobbing. As Shilgster said it only shows the difference between where the hole is and where you are, i.e. not the full story but sometimes a useful part of it.

>

> Exactly! That's why it's so inaccurate.

 

Exactly. Thanks for confirming it's "sometimes a useful part",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[SNIPERBBB]

Most notable currently is Justin Rose. Aimpoint claims 200 (various)tour players and 65 tour wins. Aimpoint for most of the pros is the green books that annoying everyone right now. Express is for us slubs that cant afford or dont play courses that are mapped.

 

http://greensidegolfacademy.com/tour-players.html

[Mr. Bean]

> @SNIPERBBB said:

> Most notable currently is Justin Rose. Aimpoint claims 200 (various)tour players and 65 tour wins. Aimpoint for most of the pros is the green books that annoying everyone right now. Express is for us slubs that cant afford or dont play courses that are mapped.

>

> http://greensidegolfacademy.com/tour-players.html

 

Marketing is kind of science. Kind of, because they sell commodities based on things having happened which have no relevance at all to the claims connected. Just like this one. 200 tour players using it and 65 tour wins. So what? Where is the evidence that those wins were due to Aimpoint? Maybe there would have been more wins WITHOUT Aimpoint? Who can tell?

 

Marketing claims is close to statistics, you get what you want to hear and no proof required. Been there, seen that. Have worked with marketing for 20 years..

[SNIPERBBB]

I'm just pointing out what they claim. I frankly don't care what they claim as far as who uses it. When you see the broadcasts of your events and you see the lines predicting the putts, that's from aimpoint. It's not often wrong.