2019 Dow Great Lakes Bay Invitational Jul 17 - 20

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> @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

 

My other scheduling hopes are:

a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

 

b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

 

c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

[Stooch]

> @agolf1 said:

> > @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> > I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

> In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

>

> My other scheduling hopes are:

> a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

>

> b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

>

> c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

 

Yeah I don't like the placement of this event either, I wold like there to be a week off before they cross the pond, back to back brings the timezone thing into play and could effect some of the play. I guess the solution is putting the Scottish Open in between the Evian and British. I would like it, cause maybe then I could get to see Brooke play in a Scottish Open, you figure a person named Henderson would relish playing the Sottish Open but for someone who plays all the time she never has. I'd love to know the backstory to the Henderson's immigrating to Canada, there';s gotta be something behind it lol (joking)

[AWinfortheAges]

> @agolf1 said:

> > @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> > I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

> In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

>

> My other scheduling hopes are:

> a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

>

> b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

>

> c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

 

The Pelican Womens Championship is to be held May 11-17 next year. And the Gainbridge LPGA, in Boca Raton, FL, will be held a week after the Diamond Tournament of Champions next year.

 

The Dow fits nicely in the midwest/Great Lakes swing.

 

Where will Evian and the women's British Open fall on the schedule next year?

 

I don't like that it was on the same weekend as the Open, but maybe Whan can get this event on ESPN so it would get more attention.

[Stooch]

> @AWinfortheAges said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> > > I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

> > In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

> >

> > My other scheduling hopes are:

> > a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

> >

> > b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

> >

> > c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

>

> The Pelican Womens Championship is to be held May 11-17 next year. And the Gainbridge LPGA, in Boca Raton, FL, will be held a week after the Diamond Tournament of Champions next year.

>

> The Dow fits nicely in the midwest/Great Lakes swing.

>

> Where will Evian and the women's British Open fall on the schedule next year?

>

> I don't like that it was on the same weekend as the Open, but maybe Whan can get this event on ESPN so it would get more attention.

 

The TV contact with GC ends this year but sounds like they are working on a 2 year extension to coincide with the PGA tour's contract ending. The positive part about the next 2-year extention and other contracts moving forward, is it sounds like the negotiation are being rep'd by the PGA. It doesn't seem like the GC/NBC can play both sides against the miiddle in this one and if PGA has pure motives, the LPGA could end up doing very well.

 

_"The LPGA’s 10-year contract with Golf Channel comes to an end this year, and Whan says the tour is in the final stages of completing a two-year extension with Golf Channel that would line up the LPGA’s contract with when the PGA Tour’s contract ends as well.

This is significant because the PGA Tour is acting as an agent for the LPGA when it comes to negotiating the tour’s television contract this go-round. While it’s fair to wonder how much the PGA Tour is going to look out for the best interests of the LPGA compared to its other properties, it’s important to have a seat at the table with the game’s biggest force.

(The opposite occurred when the LPGA was completely in the dark about Augusta National staging a women’s event the same week as one of its majors.)"_

https://golfweek.com/2019/06/22/mike-whan-lpga-tv-contract/

[AWinfortheAges]

> @Stooch said:

> > @AWinfortheAges said:

> > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> > > > I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

> > > In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

> > >

> > > My other scheduling hopes are:

> > > a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

> > >

> > > b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

> > >

> > > c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

> >

> > The Pelican Womens Championship is to be held May 11-17 next year. And the Gainbridge LPGA, in Boca Raton, FL, will be held a week after the Diamond Tournament of Champions next year.

> >

> > The Dow fits nicely in the midwest/Great Lakes swing.

> >

> > Where will Evian and the women's British Open fall on the schedule next year?

> >

> > I don't like that it was on the same weekend as the Open, but maybe Whan can get this event on ESPN so it would get more attention.

>

> The TV contact with GC ends this year but sounds like they are working on a 2 year extension to coincide with the PGA tour's contract ending. The positive part about the next 2-year extention and other contracts moving forward, is it sounds like the negotiation are being rep'd by the PGA. It doesn't seem like the GC/NBC can play both sides against the miiddle in this one and if PGA has pure motives, the LPGA could end up doing very well.

>

> _"The LPGA’s 10-year contract with Golf Channel comes to an end this year, and Whan says the tour is in the final stages of completing a two-year extension with Golf Channel that would line up the LPGA’s contract with when the PGA Tour’s contract ends as well.

> This is significant because the PGA Tour is acting as an agent for the LPGA when it comes to negotiating the tour’s television contract this go-round. While it’s fair to wonder how much the PGA Tour is going to look out for the best interests of the LPGA compared to its other properties, it’s important to have a seat at the table with the game’s biggest force.

> (The opposite occurred when the LPGA was completely in the dark about Augusta National staging a women’s event the same week as one of its majors.)"_

> https://golfweek.com/2019/06/22/mike-whan-lpga-tv-contract/

 

Yes, I am aware the contract is ending and a two year extension is in the works. I don't understand the actual workings of the TV deal, but why not pull the DOW out of the extension and try and get it on ESPN or network television. At least the final two rounds.

I would also pull the event immediately prior to the US Open out of the deal as well and try to get Fox to cover it as a lead in to the US Open.

Just my thoughts. They have the data and the contracts, so they'll know what works best for them.

I can't recall who continues to make this arguement, but I agree that the LPGA should produce it's own tournaments if will help them get more coverage (hours and networks). ABC/ESPN will probably show more hours of Holey Moley than it does of women's golf this year.

[Stooch]

> @AWinfortheAges said:

> > @Stooch said:

> > > @AWinfortheAges said:

> > > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > > @"Chief Illiniwek" said:

> > > > > I hope this year was the "test" for this event and next year it isn't opposite the Open. I love LPGA events that are a little different and would enjoy watching this one, but being opposite the Open is second only to being opposite the Masters! Different weekend please!

> > > > In addition to not being opposite a PGA major, I think they should move this event for other reasons as well. Looking at this year's schedule, it seems like ahead of the Pure Silk in Williamsburg VA would have been a good spot (only 1 week off instead of 2 weeks off after the Mediheal. Also could reduce the downtime between HSBC in Singapore and Wildfire in AZ). Seems like it would be an easy way for the players to get back into it after an off-week(s), then play a normal tournament (fairly popular) ahead of a major. The participation this year was pretty good considering it's spot in the schedule, but hopefully something like this could get even more people to play?

> > > >

> > > > My other scheduling hopes are:

> > > > a) The Tournament of Champions kind of seems like a joke. Goofy format and a lot of the winners didn't show, given it's only 1 tournament in the US. Maybe make it disappear?

> > > >

> > > > b) Somehow get better participation in the Australian events. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do this. I think the best situation would be if they could have 3 weeks in AUD and NZ, but the NZ tournament isn't there. You'd also have an issue with an off-week or too many tournaments in a row with Thailand and the HSBC.

> > > >

> > > > c) No back-to-back Evian and Women's Open. Ideally, have the Scottish Open before the Women's Open. I think these tournaments should not be 3 weeks in a row, but it may be unavoidable.

> > >

> > > The Pelican Womens Championship is to be held May 11-17 next year. And the Gainbridge LPGA, in Boca Raton, FL, will be held a week after the Diamond Tournament of Champions next year.

> > >

> > > The Dow fits nicely in the midwest/Great Lakes swing.

> > >

> > > Where will Evian and the women's British Open fall on the schedule next year?

> > >

> > > I don't like that it was on the same weekend as the Open, but maybe Whan can get this event on ESPN so it would get more attention.

> >

> > The TV contact with GC ends this year but sounds like they are working on a 2 year extension to coincide with the PGA tour's contract ending. The positive part about the next 2-year extention and other contracts moving forward, is it sounds like the negotiation are being rep'd by the PGA. It doesn't seem like the GC/NBC can play both sides against the miiddle in this one and if PGA has pure motives, the LPGA could end up doing very well.

> >

> > _"The LPGA’s 10-year contract with Golf Channel comes to an end this year, and Whan says the tour is in the final stages of completing a two-year extension with Golf Channel that would line up the LPGA’s contract with when the PGA Tour’s contract ends as well.

> > This is significant because the PGA Tour is acting as an agent for the LPGA when it comes to negotiating the tour’s television contract this go-round. While it’s fair to wonder how much the PGA Tour is going to look out for the best interests of the LPGA compared to its other properties, it’s important to have a seat at the table with the game’s biggest force.

> > (The opposite occurred when the LPGA was completely in the dark about Augusta National staging a women’s event the same week as one of its majors.)"_

> > https://golfweek.com/2019/06/22/mike-whan-lpga-tv-contract/

>

> Yes, I am aware the contract is ending and a two year extension is in the works. I don't understand the actual workings of the TV deal, but why not pull the DOW out of the extension and try and get it on ESPN or network television. At least the final two rounds.

> I would also pull the event immediately prior to the US Open out of the deal as well and try to get Fox to cover it as a lead in to the US Open.

> Just my thoughts. They have the data and the contracts, so they'll know what works best for them.

> I can't recall who continues to make this arguement, but I agree that the LPGA should produce it's own tournaments if will help them get more coverage (hours and networks). ABC/ESPN will probably show more hours of Holey Moley than it does of women's golf this year.

 

lol I always harp on them producing their own content. The biggest problem IMO to getting other networks to cover it is the cost. Lots of people and equipment needed to cover a golf tournament. If the LPGA took care of that and produced the content, then I think it would be much easier to get other networks to pick it up. The streaming possibilities would be good too, I think. More and more people unplug every passing year.

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