Arm runoff a good thing?

[Jbarretta]

My coach Matt Yun has switched his swing philosophy a bit.  Today we actually worked on arm runoff.  Once the shoulders stop turning the arms continue back and stretch and load.  Then in the downswing the sling faster and sequencing is better because you need to pressure the lead foot to sling them.  He also didn't want too much back extension because this would reduce the stretch  he showed a video of tiger and its pretty clear that his backswing arms continue after the shoulders stop rotating.  

 

I always look to youtube to find a video of the teaching concept but most videos speak against this.  What do you all think? 

 

 

[tthomasgolfer605]

It depends on the person. Do you have a very short arm swing and it's causing problems? 

 

[Jbarretta]

1 hour ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

It depends on the person. Do you have a very short arm swing and it's causing problems? 

 

Yes I have a short backswing.  Distance isn't a problem I'm at tour average on all irons but my coach thinks we have to push the stretch to get more time to sqaure the face 

[tthomasgolfer605]

51 minutes ago, Jbarretta said:

Yes I have a short backswing.  Distance isn't a problem I'm at tour average on all irons but my coach thinks we have to push the stretch to get more time to sqaure the face 

A bit more hip turn wouldn't hurt. 

[MonteScheinblum]

Arm runoff is bad.  Your swing is short because of incorrect pelvis movement.

 

More time to square the face?  Is there a problem for golfers to square the face on a flighted wedge or pitch when it’s done correctly?

[RoyalTroon]

Is arm run off a good thing?  I don't think so if using a classic definition usually reserved for amateurs having an unconnected mess up top, but pros can handle it because they have properly used their torso-shoulders on the back swing,  like Snead and many others did, but they also knew how to get back to the ball whether their fully loaded upper used a shorter or longer arm travel going back.   The longer arm travel by Snead I would not consider a run off- just a longer connected piece.  

 

 

[golfarb1]

No to arms continuing 

However , the best players gravity set the clubhead -meaning that the weight of the club head forces their wrists to complete  setting  even as their lower body starts down . 

[naj959]

That's not arm runoff in the tiger video. That's sequencing the downswing while the club is still going back. Quite different. Perhaps you misinterpreted your instructor? You get that stretch by transitioning before the club gets all the way to to the top. Not by intentionally swinging the club past the shoulder turn. 

[Jbarretta]

38 minutes ago, naj959 said:

That's not arm runoff in the tiger video. That's sequencing the downswing while the club is still going back. Quite different. Perhaps you misinterpreted your instructor? You get that stretch by transitioning before the club gets all the way to to the top. Not by intentionally swinging the club past the shoulder turn. 

Yes on video my lower body started well before the bs ended but I still felt I was pushing the limits of my arms in the bs well after I maxed out on shoulder turn 

[Jbarretta]

17 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Arm runoff is bad.  Your swing is short because of incorrect pelvis movement.

 

 

Monte I've been working on this since our lesson but I had a question.  I am able to get the tailbone towards the target and trail hip not over but inside the trail foot by straightening my trail knee.  But then its a weird sensation like I'm directly on top of the ball and in order to hit it my sternum has to work backwards in the downswing.  I thought that was wrong but I recently found this video at the 4:20 mark  Ian Poulter is centered and his sternum works backwards in the downswing

 

 

[Zitlow]

The  arms independently disconnecting from the shoulders is no good. They turn the shoulders to load the scaps, an easy way to pick up 20-30* more shoulder turn. 

 

Arms stop, shoulders stop - Wow! 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

4 hours ago, Jbarretta said:

Monte I've been working on this since our lesson but I had a question.  I am able to get the tailbone towards the target and trail hip not over but inside the trail foot by straightening my trail knee.  But then its a weird sensation like I'm directly on top of the ball and in order to hit it my sternum has to work backwards in the downswing.  I thought that was wrong but I recently found this video at the 4:20 mark  Ian Poulter is centered and his sternum works backwards in the downswing

 

 

This feels_________ 

 

Gets people in a lot of trouble 😁

[iacas]

3 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

This feels_________ 

 

Gets people in a lot of trouble 😁

 

I've gone through spells where it feels like the ball is going to go 45° right, and yet because I understand what's happening, it doesn't, and it's flush, and pure.

I feel like I have to arch my right wrist and cup the heck out of my left wrist during the backswing (I'm a righty), which feels like I'm screwing the face wide open (related to but different than the above)… and it puts me in a good position with everything else.

 

I agree with Monte.

 

And will add that my best students are the ones that almost get a bit excited when things feel different… because they know they're actually doing something different.