KBS TOUR vs C-taper

[fra3snny]

I have played s400's forever. A year ago I made the switch to kbs tour s. The s flex felt a little bit better to me than s+. I don't tinker very much but several weeks ago I got on a trackman and noticed that my spin numbers were too high which was surprising because my distances seemed normal for me. (6iron 190). The ctapers have been in my irons for a few weeks now and they feel really great. It brought my spin numbers down a lot. Right now I have the s+ in my irons. My question is... I am thinking about going to the C taper S for a little bit more feel. I have always played slightly softer shafts than what a spec chart would tell me. Obviously the technology of the shaft is helping me create less spin. When talking flex- what would the comparison between the Tour s and c taper s be? Are they similar? I was told that the C taper s would feel slightly more stout than the kbs tour s. I am just concerned that my spin rate would jump back up if I went back to the S flex but maybe the technology of the shaft would allow me to play the ctapers in s flex without my numbers jumping back up.

Let me know what you think,

thanks guys

[TitlePured]

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I have played s400's forever. A year ago I made the switch to kbs tour s. The s flex felt a little bit better to me than s+. I don't tinker very much but several weeks ago I got on a trackman and noticed that my spin numbers were too high which was surprising because my distances seemed normal for me. (6iron 190). The ctapers have been in my irons for a few weeks now and they feel really great. It brought my spin numbers down a lot. Right now I have the s+ in my irons. My question is... I am thinking about going to the C taper S for a little bit more feel. I have always played slightly softer shafts than what a spec chart would tell me. Obviously the technology of the shaft is helping me create less spin. When talking flex- what would the comparison between the Tour s and c taper s be? Are they similar? I was told that the C taper s would feel slightly more stout than the kbs tour s. I am just concerned that my spin rate would jump back up if I went back to the S flex but maybe the technology of the shaft would allow me to play the ctapers in s flex without my numbers jumping back up.
Let me know what you think,
thanks guys
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your spin rate might go up slightly but it would be considerably less than your kbs tour s... the c taper is slighty more stout also so the c taper s would be close to the kbs tour s. If you wanted to get as close as possible to the kbs tour s feel with a bit lower spin you should soft step the C taper s. Granted this is most likely going to give you a minor decrease in spin, unlike the big jumps you saw my going to the C taper S+.

btw, love my C tapers also!

[word]

Maybe i am misunderstanding but when you hit a 6 iron 190, don't you want it to be spinning so it will stop on the green? Or does the decrease in spin not affect stopping power?

[Mick Ill Son!]

What are your spin rates?

[fra3snny]

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What are your spin rates?
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I dont remember exact numbers. my 6 iron was above 7,500 rpm.

[PorkChopExpress]

whats your spin numbers with a real ball? Presuming range balls can vary

How do they play on the course?
Are you getting the right flight and shots on the course?

[nickrut]

I'd think the only reason you wouldn't want a ton of spin would be for distance reasons, but if you're hitting a 6 190, you should be good? I mean, unless you're sucking balls back 10 feet with a 6, I can't imagine a lot of spin would be too bad with 190 yards...

[station2station]

Did you trajectory come down with the CTapers over the KBS Tour -S? I ask because I love my KBS Tour shafts and I hit them a mile but I'm not joking when I say I hit my 7 iron as high as a PW typically goes. It hasn't bothered me because I haven't experienced distance loss - and I might hit the ball a bit further, actually. But for the sake of interest, fill me in

Thanks

[nickrut]

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Did you trajectory come down with the CTapers over the KBS Tour -S? I ask because I love my KBS Tour shafts and I hit them a mile but I'm not joking when I say I hit my 7 iron as high as a PW typically goes. It hasn't bothered me because I haven't experienced distance loss - and I might hit the ball a bit further, actually. But for the sake of interest, fill me in

Thanks
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Thats about how yo want things to be quite honestly. The pro's hit every club in the bag around the same height, well within a few yards.

[station2station]

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[quote name='station2station' timestamp='1306420985' post='3264122']
Did you trajectory come down with the CTapers over the KBS Tour -S? I ask because I love my KBS Tour shafts and I hit them a mile but I'm not joking when I say I hit my 7 iron as high as a PW typically goes. It hasn't bothered me because I haven't experienced distance loss - and I might hit the ball a bit further, actually. But for the sake of interest, fill me in

Thanks
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Thats about how yo want things to be quite honestly. The pro's hit every club in the bag around the same height, well within a few yards.
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Understood - but when it comes to windy play knock down shots are as high as my s300's used to go Controlling traj is the key to good golf.

[TitlePured]

I feel that my c tapers are pretty similar to my Dynamic Golds as far as trajectory... maybe a bit more consistent through the set (7 iron almost as high as PW). My distance is a bit more, maybe 5 yards per iron. I do think this is the only claim that the shafts cannot fulfill (5% lower ball flight), unless they were referring to a high launch steel shaft as their competition. Granted, I still like the flight and feel so no complaints here.

[packman80]

[quote name='nickrut' timestamp='1306420413' post='3264099']
I'd think the only reason you wouldn't want a ton of spin would be for distance reasons, but if you're hitting a 6 190, you should be good? I mean, unless you're sucking balls back 10 feet with a 6, I can't imagine a lot of spin would be too bad with 190 yards...
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Another reason to consider would be the effect hitting shots INTO wind with that amount of spin would have on the distance and the ability to control it.

[KingLeo]

So, are the C-Tapers going to knock down that spin rate more than the KBS Tours will? I am in a similar situation, only difference being I am currently in a set of DG X100's. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks!

[d_kes15]

I had a chart from a thread showing the difference in CFM between shafts, but its on my other computer so will look for it later. I went from S300 to c taper as i was hitting balloons with the S300 and needed something different. The c taper took away my balloning, killed spin only slightly, but i gained a half a club in distance. The Stiff ctaper was definitly stiffer than my S300, it felt more like a X100 in my opinion. Driver SS is 107 to give you a refeerence of my swing and I have a aggressive transition.

[Lloyd_Christmas29]

[quote name='fra3snny' timestamp='1306379513' post='3263386']
I have played s400's forever. A year ago I made the switch to kbs tour s. The s flex felt a little bit better to me than s+. I don't tinker very much but several weeks ago I got on a trackman and noticed that my spin numbers were too high which was surprising because my distances seemed normal for me. (6iron 190). The ctapers have been in my irons for a few weeks now and they feel really great. It brought my spin numbers down a lot. Right now I have the s+ in my irons. My question is... I am thinking about going to the C taper S for a little bit more feel. I have always played slightly softer shafts than what a spec chart would tell me. Obviously the technology of the shaft is helping me create less spin. When talking flex- what would the comparison between the Tour s and c taper s be? Are they similar? I was told that the C taper s would feel slightly more stout than the kbs tour s. I am just concerned that my spin rate would jump back up if I went back to the S flex but maybe the technology of the shaft would allow me to play the ctapers in s flex without my numbers jumping back up.
Let me know what you think,
thanks guys
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I have C-Taper 120s in my ap2's and my buddy had a set of Cobra mb's with KBS tour x flex. Side by side, both of us hit my ap2's consistently lower and with less spin. And clearly the mb head should be launching and spinning a lot less than my ap2. I definitely like the c-tapers over the kbs tour and in stiff flex they seemed just as stable as the tour x. Very straight hitting and good feeling shafts.