What does my swing look like WRX's????

[wetdogg]

Down the line. Interested to see what people think???

 

 

 

http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9219

 

 

many thanks,

 

 

wetdogg

[PreppySlapCut]

Looks phenomenal.

[wetdogg]

[quote name='PreppySlapCut' timestamp='1313512681' post='3492065']
Looks phenomenal.
[/quote]

really? or are the taking the pish?

[Lefthook]

That's a good looking swing

[PingG10guy]

Im a fan of it. Wow. you just hit every position. impact looks solid and stable

[markponi]

Yeah, stop ego surfing and practice your shortgame.

[wetdogg]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313514756' post='3492196']
Yeah, stop ego surfing and practice your shortgame.
[/quote]

thanks mate, Long game sucks, short game worldy though. Seriously, ive just been working so hard on my long game, frequent this site, so i thought id share it. Always struggled with the long stuff.

[PreppySlapCut]

I mean, if you're struggling with the long clubs, based on what I'm looking at, you could stand to move a little closer and really work on covering the ball and bringing your hands a little more left through impact. I could see you getting a little underplane here and having a two way miss with the longer stuff. Look at a guy like Mahan or Toms at impact and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I wouldn't really change the overall motion though, which has a LOT to like. But getting into a position where you are a little more in-line and slowing the rate of closure a bit would help.

[markponi]

Long email...sorry to be so presumptuous initially! Yeah, front on view shows a lot more... Because you don't extend into the shot your arms are fire out from your body so the arc of the swing unnaturally extends down the target line. For irons, this is no problem. For longer clubs, this is a recipe for heely weak slices or insanely bad snap, over the top hooks. Notice how your left hip spins and there is a ton of space between your left hip and your arms when the club is parrallel to the ground on the follow through. For better playes, the left side of the body extends and pulls very hard to the left, from shoulder to left lat, to left hip. This creates tremendous force that prevents the momentum of the club from slinging down the line and pulling the arms away from the body. In your case, the speed of the club is pulling your arms and detaching them from your body. In Hogans swing, both arms are straight after impact but his hands are still very close to his body (more specifically, his junk) because he's extending so well which keeps the hands close to the body and keeps everything rotating at the same rate as the hands go from hip high to hip high.

The feeling for the fix (hold on, I'm about to get complicated). You need to work on what many instructors call the counterfall or counter balance or impact compression, etc. Basically you create a left pivot point from the ground up (using the ground as leverage) by lining up your left foot joint, knee joint, left hip and left shoulder. The left hip should end up past the left foot from impact through following through. Notice your hip backs up in your current swing.

S&T guys are HUGE in creating extension to keep the hips moving and the arms tight against the arm pits. You have almost no extension which is causing the arms to get pulled out in an unnatural way. I am not a S&T guy but they claim to use pieces of the model to help people and this is certainly a piece they know alot about that could help you. They want you to tuck your butt into impact (imagine pushing your butt forward like the girls in Salt and Pepper in the push it video) to ingrain the feeling of extension. I would draw some pictures or video but I'm actually supposed to be doing my day job right now. The way I worked on this was to setup normally. Laterally shift my hips to the left until my left hip was over or past my left foot (your left hip should now be higher than the right) and 95% of my weight was on my left side. From there I just make a tiny backsing (should feel really tight as the lateral hip preset will pretorque everything to the left...makes it hard to go right...similar to martin ayers setup) as far as you should go...keeping the weight on the left side and the left hip past the left foot. You will then feel the club get automatically pulled into impact and to the left. You should hit your 7 iron 60 yards with a tiny draw. It should also feel like your hands get pulled to the left as your arms straighten but they stay very very close to your body. Keep the head still too...yours moves a bit forward and releases nicely but that 2 inches from backswing to impact will screw up the geometry with the long clubs (again, short irons are cake to hit).

Other drills: love this one. Make a swing trying to get all the way to the left side (left hip past left shoe) but then stop everything at impact, making a "wall" up your left side and trying to stop the club at impact. Obviously you can't do it but it will force your hands to quickly pull left instead of being pulled out down the line. You will be shocked at how well you'll hit it...with every club in the bag. Results should be a draw. Don't worry about snap hooks with this drill, it's ok. If you are slicing it...focus on the wall forces the clubhead to close as your hands get pulled to the left. You don't want to slice it at all with this drill...even baby fades.

Sorry for not looking at front on view first, this is something you def need to work on. But if you get this...watch out amigo, you'll be a birdie machine. A birchine if you will...Also, be careful here. Another thing our S&T amigos don't talk as much about is the ability of someone to extend the spine. I couldn't extend well because of lower back problems and I'm doing better with TPI type exercises but it's still something I need to work on.

Hope this helps.

[mr75204]

Looks a little cold outside

[garcia51694]

Looks pretty solid to me.

[markponi]

Also, can you confirm your typical misses with the longer clubs? I'm 100% positive that your driver is slinging too far from your body and you either snap hook or weak heely slice hit and that is what is messing you up. Makes sense if you hit the irons good.

Thanks.

[DNice26]

Looks good from what I can see.......and I'm a picking 1 handi that watches tons of golf. Keep it up!

[wetdogg]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313517859' post='3492371']
Long email...sorry to be so presumptuous initially! Yeah, front on view shows a lot more... Because you don't extend into the shot your arms are fire out from your body so the arc of the swing unnaturally extends down the target line. For irons, this is no problem. For longer clubs, this is a recipe for heely weak slices or insanely bad snap, over the top hooks. Notice how your left hip spins and there is a ton of space between your left hip and your arms when the club is parrallel to the ground on the follow through. For better playes, the left side of the body extends and pulls very hard to the left, from shoulder to left lat, to left hip. This creates tremendous force that prevents the momentum of the club from slinging down the line and pulling the arms away from the body. In your case, the speed of the club is pulling your arms and detaching them from your body. In Hogans swing, both arms are straight after impact but his hands are still very close to his body (more specifically, his junk) because he's extending so well which keeps the hands close to the body and keeps everything rotating at the same rate as the hands go from hip high to hip high.

The feeling for the fix (hold on, I'm about to get complicated). You need to work on what many instructors call the counterfall or counter balance or impact compression, etc. Basically you create a left pivot point from the ground up (using the ground as leverage) by lining up your left foot joint, knee joint, left hip and left shoulder. The left hip should end up past the left foot from impact through following through. Notice your hip backs up in your current swing.

S&T guys are HUGE in creating extension to keep the hips moving and the arms tight against the arm pits. You have almost no extension which is causing the arms to get pulled out in an unnatural way. I am not a S&T guy but they claim to use pieces of the model to help people and this is certainly a piece they know alot about that could help you. They want you to tuck your butt into impact (imagine pushing your butt forward like the girls in Salt and Pepper in the push it video) to ingrain the feeling of extension. I would draw some pictures or video but I'm actually supposed to be doing my day job right now. The way I worked on this was to setup normally. Laterally shift my hips to the left until my left hip was over or past my left foot (your left hip should now be higher than the right) and 95% of my weight was on my left side. From there I just make a tiny backsing (should feel really tight as the lateral hip preset will pretorque everything to the left...makes it hard to go right...similar to martin ayers setup) as far as you should go...keeping the weight on the left side and the left hip past the left foot. You will then feel the club get automatically pulled into impact and to the left. You should hit your 7 iron 60 yards with a tiny draw. It should also feel like your hands get pulled to the left as your arms straighten but they stay very very close to your body. Keep the head still too...yours moves a bit forward and releases nicely but that 2 inches from backswing to impact will screw up the geometry with the long clubs (again, short irons are cake to hit).

Other drills: love this one. Make a swing trying to get all the way to the left side (left hip past left shoe) but then stop everything at impact, making a "wall" up your left side and trying to stop the club at impact. Obviously you can't do it but it will force your hands to quickly pull left instead of being pulled out down the line. You will be shocked at how well you'll hit it...with every club in the bag. Results should be a draw. Don't worry about snap hooks with this drill, it's ok. If you are slicing it...focus on the wall forces the clubhead to close as your hands get pulled to the left. You don't want to slice it at all with this drill...even baby fades.

Sorry for not looking at front on view first, this is something you def need to work on. But if you get this...watch out amigo, you'll be a birdie machine. A birchine if you will...Also, be careful here. Another thing our S&T amigos don't talk as much about is the ability of someone to extend the spine. I couldn't extend well because of lower back problems and I'm doing better with TPI type exercises but it's still something I need to work on.

Hope this helps.
[/quote]
wow, thanks for taking your time to write such a detailed evaluation. Regards to the face on vid you saw, it may be quite dated. Ive been working with Dan Whittaker (DFW on this site), who also proposes the reverse K set up, so have been using that.

I have been working on trying to get the club to release more left and yes, i can hit sniping hooks or weak slices. Correct!!

sounds like some good information here. defo need to get them hands going left more!!!

[wetdogg]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313518251' post='3492397']
Also, can you confirm your typical misses with the longer clubs? I'm 100% positive that your driver is slinging too far from your body and you either snap hook or weak heely slice hit and that is what is messing you up. Makes sense if you hit the irons good.

Thanks.
[/quote]
absolutely spot on. snap hooks and high spinny slices with the big chief. irons are usually respectable!


I will try and get an updated face on uploaded.

thanks

[markponi]

Cool...I think the left hands though are not as critical as getting all the way over to the left side aggressively to post up. Your hands come left fine. I just don't like seeing them extend far from your left pivot point. My coach once said, straight arms, small arc when refering to the following through. Ballard thought this was extremely important as well. He was afterall the King of Connection (and shamelessly pushing the swing vest with Rocco).

Whittaker is the man. Love his stuff and learn a lot from his videos.

I'm curious to see the front on video. Are you improving with the long clubs?

[wetdogg]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313519388' post='3492465']
Cool...I think the left hands though are not as critical as getting all the way over to the left side aggressively to post up. Your hands come left fine. I just don't like seeing them extend far from your left pivot point. My coach once said, straight arms, small arc when refering to the following through. Ballard thought this was extremely important as well. He was afterall the King of Connection (and shamelessly pushing the swing vest with Rocco).

Whittaker is the man. Love his stuff and learn a lot from his videos.

I'm curious to see the front on video. Are you improving with the long clubs?
[/quote]


Ok, i think i understand a bit more now. Long stuff is better yes, but still shakey at best. I will post up a face on iron and maybe a driver for your perusal tomorrow as its late her in Eng. I think we're on the right tracks. Yes, he's a good lad, knows his, er, stuff.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313517859' post='3492371']
Another thing our S&T amigos don't talk as much about is the ability of someone to extend the spine. I couldn't extend well because of lower back problems and I'm doing better with TPI type exercises but it's still something I need to work on.
[/quote]

YES! Point being that in a biomechanical sense your hips have to lose enough flexion for you to extend your spine...otherwise youre just leaning back with the upper center and the lumbar portion isnt really extending(instant back spasm). Theres a few ways to focus on "pressing the hips forward" but only one activates everything in my opinion. Feels like [i]from the ground up[/i] but it's not. Squeeze the butt cheeks together and turn. Hips lose flexion instantly and you activate legs core and all. Ive had tons of lower back injury since I started playing golf. Uses tons of the big muscles and you'll make the same move every time without hurting yourself.

[markponi]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1313521198' post='3492578']
[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313517859' post='3492371']
Another thing our S&T amigos don't talk as much about is the ability of someone to extend the spine. I couldn't extend well because of lower back problems and I'm doing better with TPI type exercises but it's still something I need to work on.
[/quote]

YES! Point being that in a biomechanical sense your hips have to lose enough flexion for you to extend your spine...otherwise youre just leaning back with the upper center and the lumbar portion isnt really extending(instant back spasm). Theres a few ways to focus on "pressing the hips forward" but only one activates everything in my opinion. Feels like [i]from the ground up[/i] but it's not. Squeeze the butt cheeks together and turn. Hips lose flexion instantly and you activate legs core and all. Ive had tons of lower back injury since I started playing golf. Uses tons of the big muscles and you'll make the same move every time without hurting yourself.
[/quote]


Very cool. i will try indeed sir!

[PreppySlapCut]

[quote name='wetdogg' timestamp='1313518861' post='3492439']
wow, thanks for taking your time to write such a detailed evaluation. Regards to the face on vid you saw, it may be quite dated. Ive been working with Dan Whittaker (DFW on this site), who also proposes the reverse K set up, so have been using that.

I have been working on trying to get the club to release more left and yes, i can hit sniping hooks or weak slices. Correct!!

sounds like some good information here. defo need to get them hands going left more!!!
[/quote]
Yes, you do. The feeling I was talking about is how I was able to accomplish this personally. Also, the box drill (which Dan would absolutely advocate) is a GREAT drill for your problem.

[wetdogg]

updated swings

iron face on- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9225

driver face on- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9226

iron dtl- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9228

driver dtl- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9227


thanks,

Jon

[MonteScheinblum]

[quote name='wetdogg' timestamp='1313599789' post='3495950']
updated swings

iron face on- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9225"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9225[/url]

driver face on- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9226"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9226[/url]

iron dtl- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9228"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9228[/url]

driver dtl- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9227"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9227[/url]


thanks,

Jon
[/quote]

I would think a little more vertical shoulder turn would cut down on the snap hooks and slices.

Long arms are tough to deal with and a slightly more vertical shoulder turn might free you up a bit.

Nice work by DFW.

[trapsmv15]

[quote name='wetdogg' timestamp='1313599789' post='3495950']
updated swings

iron face on- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9225

driver face on- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9226

iron dtl- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9228

driver dtl- http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9227


thanks,

Jon
[/quote]
Gotta get more linear with the hips, IMO. If I understand Slice's stuff correctly [I may not], though, your left hip actually needs to be more forward at setup, and that would help with the problem. That said, I'm envious. Overall, it's a beauty.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='trapsmv15' timestamp='1313601755' post='3496076']
[quote name='wetdogg' timestamp='1313599789' post='3495950']
updated swings

iron face on- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9225"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9225[/url]

driver face on- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9226"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9226[/url]

iron dtl- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9228"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9228[/url]

driver dtl- [url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9227"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9227[/url]


thanks,

Jon
[/quote]
Gotta get more linear with the hips, IMO. If I understand Slice's stuff correctly [I may not], though, your left hip actually needs to be more forward at setup, and that would help with the problem. That said, I'm envious. Overall, it's a beauty.
[/quote]

Yep...and dont have the right knee in at address. If you put hips more forward and keep the right knee in you wont have any depth to your hip turn. Hips forward; right knee out; maybe flare the rear foot out a bit too.

[markponi]

Yeah, those swings look a ton better but I agree that you would do better to get the left hip over which will create more counterforce which keeps the arms tight against the chest (or close to the body) through impact. There is still a lot of pull with the arms off your body which regardless of DTL plane, is going to cause issues with the longer clubs.

There are two ways to do it. One is Anthony Kim's way, which may work better for you, hense I'm doing it first. His lateral hip movement, while there, isn't very pronounced. Therefore the lower body hasn't created the tension with the upper body required to pull the arms closer. The most dramatic of tension powered swings (not a bad thing through impact) are S&T tilt swings. In order to keep the geometry of the clubhead plane in tact, his shoulders travel on a much steeper plane, especially on the downswing (thanks Monte, per usual you are on the money). This enables the left shoulder to travel up and back much more quick than people whose shoulders swing on a more horizontal plane. This swing vision shows both his minimal (but its there) lateral hip (hips appears to just spin like a top) move but his steep shoulder plane (look at the :46 mark) which serves to keep the arms close to the body.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOtwxTah7E"]AK Swing[/url]

Of course, there is another way I and others referenced to keep the geometry of the swing. That is a lateral shift combined with extension through the hit, all while keeping the head back. If you stop this fairly famous clip at the 1:10 mark, notice that his arms are completely straight but the club is only inches from his crotch. The path of the club has not unnaturally extended toward the target. The often unappreciated beauty of Hogan's swing was that he had tremendous lag but that lag was released so there was minimal forward shaft lean. He only had as much as he needed to have. Another thing...people marvel at how well Hogan kept his left arm against his chest through impact and into the follow through and claim it was his rotation. That is true, but his extension is what made it truly unique. You can really see extension in action if you look at the S&T guys. It never hurts to check out Mike McNary's swing.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0"]Hogan[/url]

And of course there are hybrids of the two, which you should experiment with. Most players are a hybrid of some short. Sometimes by laterally shifting, you automatically get the shoulders to swing on a steeper plane too as most people's right shoulder drops as the hips move forward (assuming the head stays still. Also, don't know if you struggle hitting the ball high, but sometimes people with your problem have their hands too forward at impact, again, ok for short irons, hell for long clubs. I'd be willing to bet your long irons are especially difficult to hit high.

Anyway, people are right. You have a tremendous swing. This is an important refinement however that may really yield results.

[swingdoc80]

[quote name='wetdogg' timestamp='1313512509' post='3492051']
Down the line. Interested to see what people think???



[url="http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=9219"]http://www.swingacad...er.aspx?id=9219[/url]


many thanks,


wetdogg
[/quote]


Just give up. You suck Zack

[wetdogg]

[quote name='markponi' timestamp='1313607534' post='3496440']
Yeah, those swings look a ton better but I agree that you would do better to get the left hip over which will create more counterforce which keeps the arms tight against the chest (or close to the body) through impact. There is still a lot of pull with the arms off your body which regardless of DTL plane, is going to cause issues with the longer clubs.

There are two ways to do it. One is Anthony Kim's way, which may work better for you, hense I'm doing it first. His lateral hip movement, while there, isn't very pronounced. Therefore the lower body hasn't created the tension with the upper body required to pull the arms closer. The most dramatic of tension powered swings (not a bad thing through impact) are S&T tilt swings. In order to keep the geometry of the clubhead plane in tact, his shoulders travel on a much steeper plane, especially on the downswing (thanks Monte, per usual you are on the money). This enables the left shoulder to travel up and back much more quick than people whose shoulders swing on a more horizontal plane. This swing vision shows both his minimal (but its there) lateral hip (hips appears to just spin like a top) move but his steep shoulder plane (look at the :46 mark) which serves to keep the arms close to the body.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOtwxTah7E"]AK Swing[/url]

Of course, there is another way I and others referenced to keep the geometry of the swing. That is a lateral shift combined with extension through the hit, all while keeping the head back. If you stop this fairly famous clip at the 1:10 mark, notice that his arms are completely straight but the club is only inches from his crotch. The path of the club has not unnaturally extended toward the target. The often unappreciated beauty of Hogan's swing was that he had tremendous lag but that lag was released so there was minimal forward shaft lean. He only had as much as he needed to have. Another thing...people marvel at how well Hogan kept his left arm against his chest through impact and into the follow through and claim it was his rotation. That is true, but his extension is what made it truly unique. You can really see extension in action if you look at the S&T guys. It never hurts to check out Mike McNary's swing.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0"]Hogan[/url]

And of course there are hybrids of the two, which you should experiment with. Most players are a hybrid of some short. Sometimes by laterally shifting, you automatically get the shoulders to swing on a steeper plane too as most people's right shoulder drops as the hips move forward (assuming the head stays still. Also, don't know if you struggle hitting the ball high, but sometimes people with your problem have their hands too forward at impact, again, ok for short irons, hell for long clubs. I'd be willing to bet your long irons are especially difficult to hit high.

Anyway, people are right. You have a tremendous swing. This is an important refinement however that may really yield results.
[/quote]
Fantastic response again. Thankyou very much indeed. Yes, do struggle to hit it high with the longer stuff. again, spot on.

so in laymans terms, if i were to choose option 2, i need to set up with more left hip bump, then extend more laterally through impact with the hips, then extend the arms more?? Is this about right??

[markponi]

Yep...except the arms part. Don't force unnatural extension, that part looks fine. Presetting the left hip higher at address and turning into, not over the right side (using Dan's backswing thoughts) should automate that to a degree (very slicefixeresque). If you keep the head back you'll feel a very tight pull doing this as you come into impact and then the follow through. I want to stress that the driver especially should feel like the left back muscles are really taut, pulling the left arm (and therefore club), making it almost feel shorter (but is perfectly straight). Your left traps and left lat muscles are going to be really taut because your hips have bumped forward while your upper body stayed centered. Those muscles will prevents your left arm from being pulled "out of the socket" and off the chest so to speak. If you swing hard, which you certainly do...the harder it will be for your shoulder and back to holder the left arm close to the body. So it will take practice but I think a little will go a long way for you as you aren't far off.

With the driver, you want your swing arc post impact to feel like the club is [u]closer[/u] to your body than it currently is. Again, keeping the left arm straight though. Although I highly doubt you'll start chicken winging it.

To answer your question though, yes, you are right but it's a tough thing to do. Be careful now of early extension. The left hip should get higher than the left coming into impact and it continues to press toward the target throughout the swing, including the follow through. Your hip bumps a little, but then just spins backward instead of turning and continueing to move toward the target. Study Hogan and you'll see.

Sorry for the rambling replies...just trying to throw alot of darts and hope one hits.

[dfw1500]

Some great advice in this thread to Jon.......I have had the pleasure of working with Jon on a few occasions.....he was a hugely talented amateur beforenturning pro and had worked with many of the leading teachers from the EGU....during this time he already had the pain out move we saw in the earlier videos.....he had been given advice such as "speed the arms up" or "slow the body down" these were to Try and get the arms and the body "synched up"......he was a huge range rat and hit tons of balls and ingrained the spin out move further...this has lead to what we see today.

What Jon and I have worked on is the following:-

Get the club synched up going back and get some depth if turn to allow the arms some room/space to stay "in-front" of the body on the way down.......this has kept the right elbow "in-front" of the body and therefor giving a chance to be synchd through the ball.

We then started to add some lateral motion to the lower half as the weight used to move in wards on the left foot towards the right and outdated from the right foot to the outside of he foot....this was caused by the spin out move....we got the left foot rolling to the outstep and the left knee to rotate over the outside of the left foot....this was getting the hips to move in a more linear fashion and to try and create the necessary secondary axis tilt and synch the swing up.

During the last lesson we had.....which was our most successful......I tied a piece of physio banding, from the outside of his left shoulder/extreme upper left arm (under the arm pit) down to just above the left knee....this was so that as he move the left knee he then too could move he left shoulder away from the chin.....as this tended to "stick" this move was to get the lower and upper half working together and this got the arms "in-front" of the body with the right elbow on the front part of the right hip, where it could stay through impact as the pulling of the left side was "in-synch"....this then allowed him to strike the ball with the right side all working together....... Huge problem to begin with was that the backswing was out of synch and then the lower half would spin the arms would then be stuck and the body would stall as he arms moved away to get back "in-front" of the body.

IMOP Jon has a lot of Myelin built up in the spin and to get rid of this he needs good drills and time as many of the moves are deeply ingraind.

Thanks Dan

[markponi]

[quote name='dfw1500' timestamp='1313706136' post='3500243']
Some great advice in this thread to Jon.......I have had the pleasure of working with Jon on a few occasions.....he was a hugely talented amateur beforenturning pro and had worked with many of the leading teachers from the EGU....during this time he already had the pain out move we saw in the earlier videos.....he had been given advice such as "speed the arms up" or "slow the body down" these were to Try and get the arms and the body "synched up"......he was a huge range rat and hit tons of balls and ingrained the spin out move further...this has lead to what we see today.

What Jon and I have worked on is the following:-

Get the club synched up going back and get some depth if turn to allow the arms some room/space to stay "in-front" of the body on the way down.......this has kept the right elbow "in-front" of the body and therefor giving a chance to be synchd through the ball.

We then started to add some lateral motion to the lower half as the weight used to move in wards on the left foot towards the right and outdated from the right foot to the outside of he foot....this was caused by the spin out move....we got the left foot rolling to the outstep and the left knee to rotate over the outside of the left foot....this was getting the hips to move in a more linear fashion and to try and create the necessary secondary axis tilt and synch the swing up.

During the last lesson we had.....which was our most successful......I tied a piece of physio banding, from the outside of his left shoulder/extreme upper left arm (under the arm pit) down to just above the left knee....this was so that as he move the left knee he then too could move he left shoulder away from the chin.....as this tended to "stick" this move was to get the lower and upper half working together and this got the arms "in-front" of the body with the right elbow on the front part of the right hip, where it could stay through impact as the pulling of the left side was "in-synch"....this then allowed him to strike the ball with the right side all working together....... Huge problem to begin with was that the backswing was out of synch and then the lower half would spin the arms would then be stuck and the body would stall as he arms moved away to get back "in-front" of the body.

IMOP Jon has a lot of Myelin built up in the spin and to get rid of this he needs good drills and time as many of the moves are deeply ingraind.

Thanks Dan
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Wow, awesome stuff Dan...just as a comment, it's obvious he is very talented and the improvement in his video is clearly noticeable. His backswing is a no run off one and the subtle flattening puts the club on a beautiful plane to strike the ball very early in his downswing, which as you well know is the trademark of many great ball strikers.

I commented a lot on this because I went through the exact same "flaw"Jon did about two years ago and have slowly taken my game from the low 80s to the mid 70s with an occasional sub par round but I still have room for improvement with the longer clubs (I will routinely hit 15, 16 greens but it's always from the right fairway/rough; I also hit a boring draw with every club but the driver). I think his current pivot stall is because he, like me, reach the biomechanical limit of the hip turn very early in the swing. Jon almost looks like hits it BEFORE impact (hell, his hips are square BEFORE his left arm is parrallel to the ground), which is incredible flexibility. Granted some of that is because there isn't enough lateral movement or extension to get the left hip higher than the right which slows rotation. But he may be fighting this forever and he'll forever have trouble hitting the long clubs. Did you ever consider Nick Price or Mike Hebron's (and others, like Harmon when Tiger was going through the post 97 Masters swing change) idea that the hips govern the core's rotation? In other words, Nick Price consciously slowed his hip turn on the takeway and during the first parts of the downswing to prevent getting the club stuck behind him. I am paraphrasing but Price said that he only put them into action (this is a feeling of course) when the club was parrallel to the ground before impact. Hebron said the hips basically hold up the upper body and weren't the main power producers (not to be mistaken by the core, which he definitely though produced the power). I know that isn't optimal because it's not "automatic" and you already mentioned the EGL teachers but that may be the best way to get the arms a little more in synch with the core through the moment of truth.

Also, I worked on swinging while looking at a mirror in trying to keep my belt on the same plane thoughout the swing. I had a tendency to flatten out and then steepen throughout the downing.

Finally (sorry for rambling), you can slow the opening of the hips by actively engaging the left leg muscles through the left to resist the hip CCW rotation. The right leg can help there too. Hogan said the inner muscles were engaged the entire time. Sevam1's famous move part 2 and part 1 does something similar.

Anyway, love your stuff, I've learned a ton from you from the posts and now the video analysis on GGB.com. Curious to see what you think. Hopefully we'll see Jon on the Euro tour soon. This is just a very unique problem that I've rarely seen from anyone but me so I've thought (obviously) alot about it.

On another point. My buddy played with Killeen at University of Maryland Nationwide event last year so I got to see him in the final round. Wow, what a difference in his swing. Great work by him and you.

Mark