Hitting push cuts- help!

[GooseHook]

video inside

Any input? Just like the title says- I've been starting the ball right of the target line, and it typically leaks a little extra. i'll try to get a DTL video as soon as possible:
http://youtu.be/FILKFEP4oD0

[cgbm]

i like it.

teed up a bit high but i like it.

[GooseHook]

Updated with swing sequence, since the iPhone-Youtube conversion may have lost some detail. Come on guys, don't be shy! Tell me I suck, give me pointers, whatever, just looking for some feedback.

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Start of the downswing:
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[SurfinTurf]

Not even close to parallel. Is that by design?

[Tyler2106]

I'm no expert but I will bit. A DTL would really help though.

From pictures #2-4 it looks like you're inside too much. Pic #5 shows your shoulder turn is too shallow, which is what's likely causing your inside turn. Notice how your chin is getting pushed back because of your left shoulder being so flat. Then on your downswing, pic #8 shows to me you're standing up and moving towards the ball (i.e. early extension).

A down the line video would be really nice.

My critique of your swing is just what I've learned a long the way. I'm no expert so take what I say as things to look into.

[GooseHook]

[quote name='Tyler2106' timestamp='1332872511' post='4592750']
I'm no expert but I will bit. A DTL would really help though.

From pictures #2-4 it looks like you're inside too much. Pic #5 shows your shoulder turn is too shallow, which is what's likely causing your inside turn. Notice how your chin is getting pushed back because of your left shoulder being so flat. Then on your downswing, pic #8 shows to me you're standing up and moving towards the ball (i.e. early extension).

A down the line video would be really nice.

My critique of your swing is just what I've learned a long the way. I'm no expert so take what I say as things to look into.
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Considering my misses are thin and/or pushes, I think you're right on both counts.

[tfish]

[quote name='SurfinTurf' timestamp='1332872403' post='4592734']
Not even close to parallel. Is that by design?[/quote]

doesn't really matter....he has like 150 degrees of shoulder turn, which is mighty impressive.

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need a DTL view. looks solid, and it could be something so simple as you're just swinging too much in to out and you gotta spend a couple range sessions feeling like you're hitting OTT, or trying to hit it left with your body, with less release of the club.

[GooseHook]

[quote name='tfish' timestamp='1332874942' post='4593074']
[quote name='SurfinTurf' timestamp='1332872403' post='4592734']
Not even close to parallel. Is that by design?[/quote]

doesn't really matter....he has like 150 degrees of shoulder turn, which is mighty impressive.

.

need a DTL view. looks solid, and it could be something so simple as you're just swinging too much in to out and you gotta spend a couple range sessions feeling like you're hitting OTT, or trying to hit it left with your body, with less release of the club.
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SurfinTurf, that could be a symptom, not a problem. If I'm sucking the club back too far inside with a good amount of shoulder turn, it'll still get stuck, no? My swing is considerably flatter than 2 years ago, when the club was way past parallel. However, my elbow would fly out and I was completely shut at the top.

I'm headed to the range tonight, with plans to capture video. I'll try to provide a mid iron DTL as well- the issue is primarily showing up in my longer clubs, maybe you guys can spot something.

In the meantime, I'll be going back to the old drill of crossing your arms at the chest at pointing a club at the ball. Maybe Tiger's exaggerated pre-shot routine would make for a good range drill?

[Sand-Save]

Looks like youre getting stuck. Taking the club away too inside on the take away.

[SurfinTurf]

[quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1332940103' post='4597611']
[quote name='tfish' timestamp='1332874942' post='4593074']
[quote name='SurfinTurf' timestamp='1332872403' post='4592734']
Not even close to parallel. Is that by design?[/quote]

doesn't really matter....he has like 150 degrees of shoulder turn, which is mighty impressive.

.

need a DTL view. looks solid, and it could be something so simple as you're just swinging too much in to out and you gotta spend a couple range sessions feeling like you're hitting OTT, or trying to hit it left with your body, with less release of the club.
[/quote]

SurfinTurf, that could be a symptom, not a problem. If I'm sucking the club back too far inside with a good amount of shoulder turn, it'll still get stuck, no? My swing is considerably flatter than 2 years ago, when the club was way past parallel. However, my elbow would fly out and I was completely shut at the top.

I'm headed to the range tonight, with plans to capture video. I'll try to provide a mid iron DTL as well- the issue is primarily showing up in my longer clubs, maybe you guys can spot something.

In the meantime, I'll be going back to the old drill of crossing your arms at the chest at pointing a club at the ball. Maybe Tiger's exaggerated pre-shot routine would make for a good range drill?
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Don't get me wrong. It looks solid. Just an observation.

[GooseHook]

After a case of strep and another chest cold, here's a 6-iron DTL:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdE0xz-wm8&feature=youtu.be[/media]

[tfish]

sand-save called it. sucking the club too far inside in the takeaway....that'll get the club behind you and stuck.....especially when...

you're sway loading your hips over your right leg instead of coiling into your right side. gotta keep that left hip in the same spot laterally.

next time film on your foot line, and straight in front of you.

[Wknd_Warrior]

Maybe it's the angle, but it looks like you're setup for a cut in the driver vid.

That still of impact looks like he driver shaft was loony tuned,

[justwellsy]

I know this is an old thread but this may help some people who find this topic through google...

In post #3, if you look at the 3rd pic of the "downswing" portion, you can see his left arm is locked or nearly locked. This creates a problem that evolves into the 2 misses that he stated he was having problems with. In that same pic, the driver head should still be in a higher up position (see: lag) instead of almost parallel to the ground. To feel it for yourself, simply assume that position and lock your left elbow. Now in slow motion follow through to the ball and you'll see that in order to completely square up the clubface, you need to produce a TON of torque/wrist action with the right hand. He seems strong enough to do this every once in awhile or even semi-often, but it would take a miracle to make consistent square contact.

The "thin" issue is also solved by delaying the lock of the left arm. With the driver, the left arm should straighten out near the point of contact or a millisecond before (since most hit an upswing these days). Most other clubs the straightening should occur after contact so you can still use wrist power to drive down through the ball. Now back to the "thin" problem. If you look at the picture that immediately follows the one I mentioned earlier, the shaft is flexing correctly, but his hands are too far behind the ball. When this happens, the face is angled upwards and often meets the ball near the bottom of the club (for people who hit the ball too high, you have the same issue, but with a slightly steeper angle of descent).

DRILL: INDEPENDENT THEN TOGETHER
Start by hitting balls with your right hand only (if you're a righty, opposite for lefty). Take a PW or 9i and start practicing the swing without hitting any balls yet. You'll notice it takes concentration and more balance within your muscles to make a swing that brushes the ground or makes a small divot ahead of where the ball should be. Now, with a soft swing at first, start to hit a few balls. If everything is going left, you are coming over the top. If everything is going right, your right wrist is not involved enough. If you are hitting the ground before the ball then you are not creating any lag and in effect "casting" the club.

Now, switch to just the left arm. The same issues will occur for the misses mentioned earlier. The one thing that is constant about the golf swing is that your right arm can never be straightened out prior to your left arm straightening.... prior to contact that is. This is because the right hand is lower on the grip than the left. If your right arm ever straightens first, I'm betting your ball flight starts far left of the target line and if you're lucky makes it back to center with a weak slice. This shot is playable, but you're giving up at least 20% of the distance you could be achieving.

IN REVIEW: Watch that left arm! Make sure your arms are working together. Just because they are joined by the grip does not mean they will work together. When swinging only with the left arm, create forward press at address and make sure you return to that point to ensure you are hitting down through the ball properly (with irons). Once that elbow is locked, it is highly likely that your club head will finish ahead of your hands.... fat/chunk/block/etc.

Hope that helps, I tried to make it simple to understand but not sure how I did

[justwellsy]

By the way... what he is having trouble with is actually a "block" or block-cut. A "push-cut" is what Jack Nicklaus used to hit and what Tiger was hitting when he was at his peak. This is when you aim left of the target line and the ball starts right of where you are aiming but still left of the target line and slowly fades to the target line. When hit correctly this usually involved 10 yards of fade or less for the players who enjoy hitting it (when I execute it perfectly the ball fades about 5 yards and you would think it's a straight ball unless you were standing directly behind me). It's a powerful move that I believe is the most controllable shot in golf if you can get it down.