MACHINE Prototype Double Fatback and Boatback

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UPDATED 28 OCTOBER WITH NEW PICS!!!!
Hey Guys and Gals,



Just wanted to share these 2 pics with you. These are 2 models we have in the prototype stage right now. They are called the Double Fatback, and the Boatback.



On the Prototype #1 the bumpers are 100% hand ground and melted (in progress, but you get the idea). This prototype still needs counter and thru weight bores, more rolled and rounded radii in the cavity, etc. and lots more finish and polish.... This head is fitted with a custom Pill-Dot Cut long neck plumber hosel and a custom topline sightline cut.



This prototype Double FatBack flange is milled from 303 ss steel, and is great for heavy, long and belly putters (with weights from 400 grams to 500+), and can also be used without a hosel in double bend shafts. We will mill production models in aerospace alloy for standard length putters in the 330 – 370 gram range



Let me know what you think image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



-Chris





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  • zzmkdwzzmkdw Members  644WRX Points: 0Posts: 644
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    choeppner wrote on Oct 26 2008, 08:55 AM:




    Chris,



    You guys are doing some really great work. One of these in Carbon steel with a standard length plumbers neck and I would be all over it.



    -steve
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  • choeppnerchoeppner Blue Ridge, GACharter Members  10370WRX Points: 110Posts: 10,370 Titanium Tees
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    The whole putter in 1018 Carbon would weigh quite alot. You could do a Carbon head, Alloy Flange and either a Alloy or Carbon neck. Depending on which finish you went with on the Carbon, you could have a striking contrast.



    As I said, these are still in the Prototype Stage. We are still tweaking them to get them to where we like.



    Thanks for the comments



    -Chris
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  • TM golf guyTM golf guy Members  9985WRX Points: 1Posts: 9,985 Titanium Tees
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    Pretty neat looking putters Chris. Dave certainly is willing to take a risk, which is a good thing.
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  • GetinDAhole26GetinDAhole26 Members  421WRX Points: 0Posts: 421
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    all the machine putters are sooo nice. i want one soo bad.
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  • MMB1500MMB1500 Members  6615WRX Points: 558Handicap: GolfPosts: 6,615 Titanium Tees
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    The fatback is a real beauty. Nice work.



    One of them in a black oxide finish would be fantastic. What's the headweight?
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  • rrkmanrrkman Members  1182WRX Points: 0Posts: 1,182
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    Do you have a pic at address?....just how wide is that thing?
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  • DeerslayerDeerslayer Shoot to Thrill, Play to Kill...... Members  1838WRX Points: 128Posts: 1,838 Platinum Tees
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    Those are beautiful!
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    those look amazing Chris... I think I want one
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    that fatback looks like an awesome putter. i think i want one.
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  • w8liftrw8liftr w8lifting, club swinging, Metal Monster!!! ClubWRX  2258WRX Points: 62Posts: 2,258 Platinum Tees
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    Two more great looking designs for Machine.



    Are these prototype backs for the M2A, or completely separate putters?



    If not, are there any new M2A backs being tested?
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  • CorsairCorsair Members  264WRX Points: 55Posts: 264 Greens
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    Very nice looking - I think I would buy one also. Great job and good luck
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  • choeppnerchoeppner Blue Ridge, GACharter Members  10370WRX Points: 110Posts: 10,370 Titanium Tees
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    w8liftr wrote on Oct 26 2008, 02:06 PM:
    Two more great looking designs for Machine.



    Are these prototype backs for the M2A, or completely separate putters?



    If not, are there any new M2A backs being tested?




    Hello,



    These are 2 new backs that we have in the works. We have no new backs being demoed at this time



    Thanks



    -Chris
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  • EmmEmm Members  363WRX Points: 76Posts: 363 Greens
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    I love the look of most of the putters I have seen from Machine, but personally i'm not sure what these are meant to be. If I want an Anser style, I don't think I would want one (because of the size at address). and if I want a high MOI heavy weighted putter I wouldn't like the shape or be wanting and Anser style over a mallet.



    I can see the aesthetics of a TP mills design, through the Anser and on to the BC3 and bigger. But do putter companies get lots of requests for a putter looking like this?



    Having said that they will probably sell well, and if you provide a choice thats a good thing. However I thought I would give an alternative view anyway image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />
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    choeppner wrote on Oct 26 2008, 04:25 PM:
    w8liftr wrote on Oct 26 2008, 02:06 PM:
    Two more great looking designs for Machine.



    Are these prototype backs for the M2A, or completely separate putters?



    If not, are there any new M2A backs being tested?




    Hello,



    These are 2 new backs that we have in the works. We have no new backs being demoed at this time



    Thanks



    -Chris




    Thanks Chris. I'm sure I'll be ordering the Tongue back flange since it felt do good on the demo, but I like to tinker and may get extra backs image/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />







    Tommy
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    Those are awesome looking, I love the extended bumper look image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />
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  • choeppnerchoeppner Blue Ridge, GACharter Members  10370WRX Points: 110Posts: 10,370 Titanium Tees
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    Emm wrote on Oct 26 2008, 05:17 PM:
    I love the look of most of the putters I have seen from Machine, but personally i'm not sure what these are meant to be. If I want an Anser style, I don't think I would want one (because of the size at address). and if I want a high MOI heavy weighted putter I wouldn't like the shape or be wanting and Anser style over a mallet.



    I can see the aesthetics of a TP mills design, through the Anser and on to the BC3 and bigger. But do putter companies get lots of requests for a putter looking like this?



    Having said that they will probably sell well, and if you provide a choice thats a good thing. However I thought I would give an alternative view anyway image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />




    A Putter like this would be along the lines of a Belly/Long Putter. As you said, they are pretty large. The size allows for us to really raise the hewadweight to the 400-500 gram range.



    As I said, this is still in the prototyping stage.



    -Chris
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    I really like those!



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    you need to make the proto 1 in LEFTHAND. that would be great!!!
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  • 8thehardway8thehardway Members  1907WRX Points: 69Handicap: 8Posts: 1,907 Platinum Tees
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    choeppner wrote on Oct 26 2008, 08:55 AM:
    Hey Guys and Gals,



    Just wanted to share these 2 pics with you. These are 2 models we have in the prototype stage right now. They are called the Double Fatback, and the Boatback.



    On the Prototype #1 the bumpers are 100% hand ground and melted (in progress, but you get the idea). This prototype still needs counter and thru weight bores, more rolled and rounded radii in the cavity, etc. and lots more finish and polish.... This head is fitted with a custom Pill-Dot Cut long neck plumber hosel and a custom topline sightline cut.



    Let me know what you think image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    -Chris









    The flange-to-face ratio doesn't work for me but connect the shaft to the flange and I couldn't resist.
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  • PurePursuit PurePursuit Members  2237WRX Points: 0Posts: 2,237
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    The aesthetics are always subjective, but I can promise you these putters are extremely functional. Thanks for sharing these pictures with us Chris.
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    PurePursuit wrote on Oct 27 2008, 01:43 AM:
    The aesthetics are always subjective, but I can promise you these putters are extremely functional. Thanks for sharing these pictures with us Chris.




    Relocating the shaft to the flange doesn't improve my sense of it's aesthetics as the face-to-flange ratio remains the same... if anything, it probably degrades them. My comment reflected a design that works better with my stroke, along the lines of Cameron's original Futura and Slighter's Needle. Since Dave's Prototype lacks sufficient material at the proposed insertion point to hold the shaft, my comment was less a suggestion then an acknowledgement that his putters are so effective I couldn't resist getting a mid-shaft design if he made one.



    BTW, I know his putters are extremely functional -I have a First Release similar to the one shown in my avatar.
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  • reebusreebus Still trying to learn the game... Members  542WRX Points: 0Posts: 542
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    Is the Boatback larger than the "original" Fatback? I love the rounded edges. Seems to soften it up some.
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  • choeppnerchoeppner Blue Ridge, GACharter Members  10370WRX Points: 110Posts: 10,370 Titanium Tees
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    The boatback is larger. The Boatback started as a Double Fatback that was then hand ground by Dave to get to it's current shape.



    -Chris
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    8 the hardway I wasn't replying to your post, no need to quote mine and get defensive. I was just commenting in general on how some putters don't look that great but some flat out perform (for some people)..
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    One Boatback please...475 grams....34 inches...
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    is there any chance you could make the boatback in a center shaft???
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    A CS in that head is possible. It would be a Weld Neck Centershaft



    -Chris
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    8thehardway wrote on Oct 27 2008, 04:55 AM:
    Since Dave's Prototype lacks sufficient material at the proposed insertion point to hold the shaft,




    Hello,



    Can you please explain what you mean by this?



    Thanks



    -Chris
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    Those are some tasty looking flatsticks right there
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