Question to all float loaders

[SteelyDan]

Hi,

 

I suppose everybody keeps wrist loading in the backswing minimal. But then, do you actively load your wrists early in the downswing, or do you just let it happen thanks to relaxed wrists during the transition? Personally, I am seing much better results when loading actively early in the downswing.

 

Thanks

 

SD

[stevehj]

For me it happens as a result of the lower body initiating the transition. At the start of the downswing, the hands are very passive and forward movement causes the wrists to set. There is no conscious effort to load the wrists so consequently the move is almost automatic. If your approach works for you and it feels natural, stick with it. Hope this helps.

[Coop_Scoop12]

In my own experience actively loading your wrists on the downswing can lead to a few things.

1. You time the active load correctly and pure the ball with a ton of shaft lean, low launch and high spin (because you are coming in steep with the club)

2. You active load to early leading to a smother pull or smother hook it because the club comes in shut and steep

3. You are late on the active load then the face is wide open and you will shank it

Again, this is my own experience of trial and error with the feeling, however I strongly recommend against the feeling of actively loading (as a source of shaft lean) due to the difficulty of timing.

 

[b.mattay]

> @SteelyDan said:

> Hi,

> I suppose everybody keeps wrist loading in the backswing minimal.

> SD

 

Nope, I allow a full and natural set, which maxes out my wrist loading. Why would you restrict it?

 

[SteelyDan]

I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

[MPStrat]

> @SteelyDan said:

> I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

 

That is not correct. Radial deviation float loading actually makes the results your describing exponentially more difficult. Great players are actually doing the opposite of radial deviation early in the downswing.

[SteelyDan]

I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc. > @MPStrat said:

> > @SteelyDan said:

> > I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

>

> That is not correct. Radial deviation float loading actually makes the results your describing exponentially more difficult. Great players are actually doing the opposite of radial deviation early in the downswing.

 

Most great players fully set their wrists during the backswing. And they manage to hold that lag for a long time in the downswing. Maybe without any conscious effort. But that doesn't help the player who dumps the angle early. He will need a different approach to achieve proper impact alignments.

[MonteScheinblum]

> @SteelyDan said:

> I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

 

That’s not the right cause and effect.

 

 

 

 

[MPStrat]

> @SteelyDan said:

> I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc. > @MPStrat said:

> > > @SteelyDan said:

> > > I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

> >

> > That is not correct. Radial deviation float loading actually makes the results your describing exponentially more difficult. Great players are actually doing the opposite of radial deviation early in the downswing.

>

> Most great players fully set their wrists during the backswing. And they manage to hold that lag for a long time in the downswing. Maybe without any conscious effort. But that doesn't help the player who dumps the angle early. He will need a different approach to achieve proper impact alignments.

 

I agree that he will need a different approach. That approach isn’t about holding anything. The key is finding the issue in your swing that’s forcing you to dump it in order to hit a functional shot, fixing that issue and then trying to hit the golf ball straight and solid with the new move. If you fix the root issue, you will bury the club in the ground behind the ball if you dump it early.

[SteelyDan]

> @MPStrat said:

> I agree that he will need a different approach. That approach isn’t about holding anything. The key is finding the issue in your swing that’s forcing you to dump it in order to hit a functional shot, fixing that issue and then trying to hit the golf ball straight and solid with the new move. If you fix the root issue, you will bury the club in the ground behind the ball if you dump it early.

 

I agree holding the lag is wrong and will not yield improvement for most. I believe for many the issue is the fact that the wrist are already fully loaded by P4, and then the right wrist will react to that tension and fire too soon. Hence reaching full load only later in the downswing will delay the release naturally - without holding on to anything.

[SteelyDan]

> @MonteScheinblum said:

> That’s not the right cause and effect.

 

Why not? It is natural for the right hand to react and snap once the wrist is bent to the max. Especially if an external force like a golf club is in the mix. Easy to try at home.

[Hawkeye77]

> @SteelyDan said:

> I am restricting it in the backswing so that I am able to load on the way down. Many golfers struggle with premature release once the wrists are fully set. The later the load, the better the chances of decent impact with flat left wrist, forward shaft lean etc.

 

Nope.

 

Listen to Bodhisattva there Steely.

 

[Hawkeye77]

Edit: duplicate.

[b.mattay]

> @SteelyDan said:

 

> I agree holding the lag is wrong and will not yield improvement for most. I believe for many the issue is the fact that the wrist are already fully loaded by P4, and then the right wrist will react to that tension and fire too soon. Hence reaching full load only later in the downswing will delay the release naturally - without holding on to anything.

 

The only time any body part automatically will “spring/fire” back is when it is passively stretched with no muscular involvement (eg. lay your hand palm down on a table and pull up your middle finger with your other hand and then release). That isn’t how the wrists are loaded in the backswing, that involves a muscular contraction. Your wrist doesn’t automatically “fire” out of flexion or radial deviation when you use a hammer, your brain needs to instruct it to do so.

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

> @SteelyDan said:

> > @MonteScheinblum said:

> > That’s not the right cause and effect.

>

> Why not? It is natural for the right hand to react and snap once the wrist is bent to the max. Especially if an external force like a golf club is in the mix. Easy to try at home.

 

Too many reasons to count, but for one, when you radially deviate that hard in transition, you are not going to get proper flexing of the lead wrist. That gets the club open and out of position and forcing you to dump angles too fast to get the club in position.

 

There’s a reason why elite players don’t do this.

 

Trying it at home home falls in the same category as people asking why their practice swing looks so good. There are no ball flight consequences.

 

Later set does not equal later release....sometimes it even leads to earlier release and certainly often correlates to poor release.