Q-link Vs. Phiten Vs. TrionZ

[pb056]

wore a Q-Link for 7-8 month period last year over the summer, we recived them as part of a promotional trial so i thought id give it a try. stopped wearing it cos i didnt believe that it helped me in anyway. im glad i never had to pay for it and wouldnt recommend it either.

[thenewbie]

the trion Z thing is suposed to replace your negative ions with positive ones.

 

holy crap, what the heck is wrong with anyone who would actually BELIEVE that!? are you KIDDING ME?!

 

as for magnets, they do have a positive affect on blood flow to the area where they are applied. magnet on the wrist will positvely affect blood flow to that exact place, and that exact place only. a magnet worn on a necklace will not help your back, or your leg, or your soul, for that matter.

 

placebo affect can be a powerful thing. . .so can stupidity. (not that your stupid, but come on)

[drpino]

i'm also a skeptic/cynic (and come from a family of physicians and medical professionals) and think it's all placebo effect. if it takes one $20-50 to achieve that placebo effect, then so be it.

 

one's thoughts and exerting the power of mind over body is free and available to everybody so to give my hard-earned money to some company to wear an accessory that's supposedly going to achieve what's already there seems a little ridiculous to me.

[shoe295]

voonie, you are very wrong, just because a guy is a GS or MD does not mean that he isn't on the board of medical companies, or involved with politics,

 

You guys can argue with me all you want, my dad is in a position to know, he is not just an MD or GS, but really someone who would be in the know about stuff like this.

 

All I am saying is do what you want, but a guy who is an expert in the field of health science says none of this stuff works, in his words " don't be silly"

 

 

Not to be combative or abrasive but does your dad base this on actual double blind controlled studies or is "don't be silly" his opinion? I've spent 25 years in pharmaceuticals, the majority of which have taught me never ever discount placebo effect, and never ever believe that what you believe to be true is the end of the discussion. Even with years of actual double blind study results there is still disagreement among the "experts" and "those in the know about this stuff" as to what the actual results are, so with apologies I find your dismissive statements those of someone who already has his mind made up, and therefore not conducive to the original question posed. Please use fact or personal experience to dis these products.

 

Back to the point, I've never tried the Q link but I have several acquaintences who have, two of whom say it was a waste of money and one swears it's the greatest product ever invented. As for the other two, I have not as yet used them but will probably in the future as traditional western medical practice has not helped the nagging joint issues I suffer.

[chucker8]

I'm curious to try one of these things.

 

For those who think this is quackery - that's fine. Did you know that quackwatch.org is funded by the American Medical Association, which in turn was founded by a consortium of for-profit pharmaceutical companies?

 

Personally, I don't value the opinion of too many medical doctors anyway. Scotte - your dad is an M.D. - and did you know that all of his training is funded by the pharmaceutical industry? therefore, of course he thinks this is BS - its a threat to his livelihood, plus he's been brainwashed in his own training.

 

Im not saying for sure this works, but to discount is quackery proves that you have been brainwashed by the pharma industry that spends billions of dollars every year in advertising.

[Hifade]

Two things:

 

1) I'm a dealer for Phiten so if anyone is interested, let me know. I can pass on a GolfWrx discount. PM me if you are looking for anything particular from Phiten.

 

2) As far as the FDA is concerned........my opinion is that while they may do some good, they are a bureaucratic institution devoured in red tape and influenced by lobbyists and special interest groups like every other governmental agency. Again, my opinion is what takes them 10 years to complete should normally get done in 10 weeks. I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most) but the FDA drags their feet with it as with everything else and this is ground breaking. Nothing short of a shame.

[dpark]

Two things:

 

1) I'm a dealer for Phiten so if anyone is interested, let me know. I can pass on a GolfWrx discount. PM me if you are looking for anything particular from Phiten.

 

2) As far as the FDA is concerned........my opinion is that while they may do some good, they are a bureaucratic institution devoured in red tape and influenced by lobbyists and special interest groups like every other governmental agency. Again, my opinion is what takes them 10 years to complete should normally get done in 10 weeks. I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most) but the FDA drags their feet with it as with everything else and this is ground breaking. Nothing short of a shame.

If there has been a double-blind study done to that demonstrate the effectiveness of Phiten products, is there a publicly-available link to it? Which doctor(s) and/or universities did the study? Were these studies paid for by Phiten or were they done with independent grant money? (Last question is just to be aware of any potential biases).

[hoganfan924]

I prefer to play with a tin foil pyramid shaped hat, a quartz crystal in my left front pocket, a rabbit's foot in my right front pocket and when I need a little extra distance off the tee, I pull out my Zolex Hammer - Pow!!! Then, when I'm on the green, just pull out the Dr. Feelgood putter - automatic from 4' !!! For good measure, always have a bowl of shark fin soup at the turn! Then again, never tried a magnetic bracelet. Hmmm? Think it might help?

[Hifade]

I have no idea about any so called "double blind" study, what it is....nor do I care. I didn't even mention anything like that in my post so I have no idea what you are talking about. You'll have to ask your questions to someone else. I simply sell the Phitens and hate the FDA.

 

Two things:

 

1) I'm a dealer for Phiten so if anyone is interested, let me know. I can pass on a GolfWrx discount. PM me if you are looking for anything particular from Phiten.

 

2) As far as the FDA is concerned........my opinion is that while they may do some good, they are a bureaucratic institution devoured in red tape and influenced by lobbyists and special interest groups like every other governmental agency. Again, my opinion is what takes them 10 years to complete should normally get done in 10 weeks. I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most) but the FDA drags their feet with it as with everything else and this is ground breaking. Nothing short of a shame.

If there has been a double-blind study done to that demonstrate the effectiveness of Phiten products, is there a publicly-available link to it? Which doctor(s) and/or universities did the study? Were these studies paid for by Phiten or were they done with independent grant money? (Last question is just to be aware of any potential biases).

[dpark]

In your post below you say: "I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most)". How is it that you are involved in a case with the FDA, and are making a strong statement that the case is "black and white" and yet you claim no knowledge of what a "double blind study" is? The gold standard for determining whether a medical treatment works is the double-blind, placebo-controlled study. With a few exceptions, new drugs must pass a number of double-blind studies to be approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

 

 

I have no idea about any so called "double blind" study, what it is....nor do I care. I didn't even mention anything like that in my post so I have no idea what you are talking about. You'll have to ask your questions to someone else. I simply sell the Phitens and hate the FDA.

 

Two things:

 

1) I'm a dealer for Phiten so if anyone is interested, let me know. I can pass on a GolfWrx discount. PM me if you are looking for anything particular from Phiten.

 

2) As far as the FDA is concerned........my opinion is that while they may do some good, they are a bureaucratic institution devoured in red tape and influenced by lobbyists and special interest groups like every other governmental agency. Again, my opinion is what takes them 10 years to complete should normally get done in 10 weeks. I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most) but the FDA drags their feet with it as with everything else and this is ground breaking. Nothing short of a shame.

If there has been a double-blind study done to that demonstrate the effectiveness of Phiten products, is there a publicly-available link to it? Which doctor(s) and/or universities did the study? Were these studies paid for by Phiten or were they done with independent grant money? (Last question is just to be aware of any potential biases).

[theboom]

As a former minor league baseball player, phiten is all the rage. Now, I am not saying it works or doesnt, but I do know how many big leaguers are wearing them.

 

To me, it could be looked at like a confidence thing. Anything that gets you thinking positive thoughts is a plus in my book.

[Hifade]

BLACK and WHITE is this:

 

My intimate knowledge of the FDA and my case have NOTHING to do with the medical treatment and /or placebo effect of these style products. I simply stated that I'm a dealer for a widely popular one....Phiten. You mixed the points I made together. The studies I was involved with were far greater in requirements and depth than what you're discussing. I could care less if they were done for these style products.

 

In your post below you say: "I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most)". How is it that you are involved in a case with the FDA, and are making a strong statement that the case is "black and white" and yet you claim no knowledge of what a "double blind study" is? The gold standard for determining whether a medical treatment works is the double-blind, placebo-controlled study. With a few exceptions, new drugs must pass a number of double-blind studies to be approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

 

 

I have no idea about any so called "double blind" study, what it is....nor do I care. I didn't even mention anything like that in my post so I have no idea what you are talking about. You'll have to ask your questions to someone else. I simply sell the Phitens and hate the FDA.

 

Two things:

 

1) I'm a dealer for Phiten so if anyone is interested, let me know. I can pass on a GolfWrx discount. PM me if you are looking for anything particular from Phiten.

 

2) As far as the FDA is concerned........my opinion is that while they may do some good, they are a bureaucratic institution devoured in red tape and influenced by lobbyists and special interest groups like every other governmental agency. Again, my opinion is what takes them 10 years to complete should normally get done in 10 weeks. I'm currently involved in an FDA approval case that's black and white (and ALL good to most) but the FDA drags their feet with it as with everything else and this is ground breaking. Nothing short of a shame.

If there has been a double-blind study done to that demonstrate the effectiveness of Phiten products, is there a publicly-available link to it? Which doctor(s) and/or universities did the study? Were these studies paid for by Phiten or were they done with independent grant money? (Last question is just to be aware of any potential biases).

 

[titleistnutter]

im considering getting one, do the effects decrease with prolonged use?

[rosskoss]

For best results, wear it twice a day for the first 2 weeks. Then you can just wear it during your golf rounds. That'll align all the ions in your body for maximum golf Karma.

[avrag]

I know that this is an ancient thread, but since it is World Series time and we can constantly see those things on TV at the moment, I wanted to add something curious.
I do not believe in any of those "energy optimising" bracelets or necklaces, and my opinion on the matter is usually pretty much like scotte's and dpark's.
However, I noticed that the orthopedic surgeon who did a miraculous job on my father's hip replacement and who is one of THE most respected specialists for both hip replacement and arthroscopic knee surgeries in Europe wears Phiten products himself and endorses them on his website. He also is the team doctor for a few soccer and basketball clubs and regularily operates on injured athletes from different sports and also works with them during rehab. He is really respected in the athletic, the medical and scientific community.
Mind you, he does not in any way claim that the way these things work can be proven scientifically, but he believes they do. And he does so, because he has seen a positive effect both for himself and for the athletes he works with.
Add to that the fact that the German doctor who has worked for Bayern Munich and the German national football (soccer) team for ages and who cured JM Olazabal, also endorses Phiten products after a study of the Technical University Munich seemed to prove that there is a positive effect (without finding out why), and it sure makes you wonder.

[MDP1555]

Same craze went on for 10 years over copper.

Personal opinion is that those that benifit are experiencing the placebo affect. That said the placebo affect is a real event. Some say placebo affect is faith and the corner stone of holistic medicine is faith

[Timanator]

What if you wear all 3? Can you just live for ever?

[pinhigh27]

[quote name='rok78' timestamp='1179770907' post='571209']
[quote name='Scotte' post='570782' date='May 20 2007, 09:50 PM']No, he hasn't tried any of the 3, if he feels bad he wouldn't use one of those things to make him feel better, he would use the real thing. When his knee went bad, he didn't do shots of wheat grass, he went and got it replaced. I tend to trust what ever he says, he is one of the higher ups in the med technology field, and he is still strong enough to kick my a$$,[/quote]

See the majority of people who are against any bracelet have NOT used it, tried it, studied it, or anything. It's not meant to help you if you tore a tendon or need knee replacement surgery, it's for aches and pains. You believe in Western medicine and only Western medicine, great. Good for you and I mean that. But, opinions like dorfblee's are more valuable. He actually tried it and made an opinion from there.

Your engineer analogy doesn't work for me, because an engineering company that was a leader in making golf clubs go farther specifically studies the technology behind golf clubs. Your father does not specifically study magnetic/titanium bracelets and their effects.

I'm not even saying he's wrong, he could be 100% correct, but I have a problem with people writing anything off just because it's different, without trying it first. But it's not like Western medicine has not been wrong before. I bet if your dad was interested in research he could probably get a grant to study the effects of these bracelets (if it hasn't been done already). That would be interesting and very valuable.
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Your logic is flawed. You can't say we are wrong because we haven't tried them. It's snake oil. Of course we don't try it. Have you heard one scientific explanation how it could possibly work?? It's placebo. 2 posts above there is a legal decision about how they are worthless. So you have doctors saying they don't work, then you have judges that are ordering companies to refund consumers, and you're telling me its a good product? If so, I have a couple things I'm working on right now that will cure your slice or hook. Just wear my headband and you can't put sidespin on the ball!