Too much right bend?

[NikeGolferTX]

I’m hitting a slight push draw here. My spine seems pretty tilted at impact.

 

My miss is generally a pull hook. Is this pattern going to lead to issues?

 

Full speed straight:

 

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[MPStrat]

Your pattern matches this clubface:

 

[NikeGolferTX]

25 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Your pattern matches this clubface:

 

I have a pretty strong grip. As long as it matches up I’m happy.

[MonteScheinblum]

Nothing more complicated that a conscious/subconscious effort to hit up too much because the swing is pretty good.

 

Tee it up supper low and visualize hitting a low pull fade until your shoulders level out.

 

 

[NikeGolferTX]

3 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Nothing more complicated that a conscious/subconscious effort to hit up too much because the swing is pretty good.

 

Tee it up supper low and visualize hitting a low pull fade until your shoulders level out.

 

 

Sounds good, I’ll give that a go, thanks!

[glk]

Hip turning pretty level.    Requires more side bend from spine  also a sign of using the ground inefficiently.

[Zitlow]

The club catches up with your left shoulder and arm at impact which is what you want. If your COM wasn't leading the back of your neck you'd be over the top. 

 

As a suggestion you might want to narrow your stance a little at address which will decrease your side bend some and make your rotation more efficient. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MPStrat]

13 hours ago, NikeGolferTX said:

I have a pretty strong grip. As long as it matches up I’m happy.

Yes grip looks to be fine. Most players who have a grip as strong as yours have a more cupped left wrist at p4.
 

In general, players who have stronger club faces are going to need more shaft lean and therefore more tilt. 
 

 

if you want less shaft lean and less tilt, a clubface that matches would make that a lot easier.

 

 

But I’m sharing this information, not knowing anything about your game so I’m not saying you should do any of this. Just hypothetical stuff. 

Edited September 11, 2023 by MPStrat

[MK7Golf21]

3 hours ago, glk said:

Hip turning pretty level.    Requires more side bend from spine  also a sign of using the ground inefficiently.

 

curious how you would go about getting more tilt to the right hip on the downswing? Saw you mention to someone they didn't have enough tilt on the downswing/right hip too high. That can cause some back issues with a good amount of right side spine bend along a high right hip.

[NikeGolferTX]

1 hour ago, Zitlow said:

The club catches up with your left shoulder and arm at impact which is what you want. If your COM wasn't leading the back of your neck you'd be over the top. 

 

As a suggestion you might want to narrow your stance a little at address which will decrease your side bend some and make your rotation more efficient. 

 

I'll give that a try.

I try to keep my clubhead behind my backline at P-5 and feel like I'm moving the clubhead in a very circular fashion to impact: 4:00 to 12:00 CCW. Sort of like a baseball swing as far as feel.

 

I feel lots of trail arm adduction and lead arm abduction.

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by NikeGolferTX

[NikeGolferTX]

32 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Yes grip looks to be fine. Most players who have a grip as strong as yours have a more cupped left wrist at p4.
 

In general, players who have stronger club faces are going to need more shaft lean and therefore more tilt. 
 

 

if you want less shaft lean and less tilt, a clubface that matches would make that a lot easier.

 

 

But I’m sharing this information, not knowing anything about your game so I’m not saying you should do any of this. Just hypothetical stuff. 

Makes sense. Looks like it would require a different release pattern where the speed of the clubhead is released more with wrist rotation rather than with wrist extension. I don't mind right bend, but was wondering if my pattern isn't really optimal. I try to get bend from the thoracic spine with rib sway so I'm not so hard on my lumbar spine.

 

Driver is generally my best club, but right now I'm fighting occasional pull hooks that are going out of bounds, so taking some drop shots. Distance wise it's between 290-315 yards. I can play a cut with driver but I lose quite a bit of distance.

Edited September 11, 2023 by NikeGolferTX

[NikeGolferTX]

25 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

curious how you would go about getting more tilt to the right hip on the downswing? Saw you mention to someone they didn't have enough tilt on the downswing/right hip too high. That can cause some back issues with a good amount of right side spine bend along a high right hip.

For what its worth, I try to create pelvic tilt (lead side of pelvis lower than right side).  I start my swing with left leg external rotation, not a push off the back leg. To do the opposite, or reduce pelvic tilt, I would allow my hips to slide laterally more.

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[Zitlow]

19 minutes ago, NikeGolferTX said:

I'll give that a try.

I try to keep my clubhead behind my backline at P-5 and feel like I'm moving the clubhead in a very circular fashion to impact: 4:00 to 12:00 CCW. Sort of like a baseball swing as far as feel.

 

I feel lots of trail arm adduction and lead arm abduction.

 

 

 

Excellent, most people don't sync their body and arms up with the club. You can create more force swinging the club in a circle vs swinging it in a line. 

 

[glk]

1 hour ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

curious how you would go about getting more tilt to the right hip on the downswing? Saw you mention to someone they didn't have enough tilt on the downswing/right hip too high. That can cause some back issues with a good amount of right side spine bend along a high right hip.

Same way you left tilt in backswing -  lead knee extends - starts moving to right tilt T top -“ in right tilt by p6

 

 

[MPStrat]

1 hour ago, NikeGolferTX said:

Makes sense. Looks like it would require a different release pattern where the speed of the clubhead is released more with wrist rotation rather than with wrist extension. I don't mind right bend, but was wondering if my pattern isn't really optimal. I try to get bend from the thoracic spine with rib sway so I'm not so hard on my lumbar spine.

 

Driver is generally my best club, but right now I'm fighting occasional pull hooks that are going out of bounds, so taking some drop shots. Distance wise it's between 290-315 yards. I can play a cut with driver but I lose quite a bit of distance.

Down and across fades generally go shorter than upward aoa fades. Upward aoa fades go the same distance as draws and potentially longer. The guys on tour who hit down and fade it are almost neutral and hitting a straight ball. Very minimally down and left. Excluding the few that will occasionally hit a bunt fairway finder specialty shot. They also have the clubhead speed to support it.

 

But I think the thing for you to consider is that it can be difficult to consistently use your entire body to hold off a clubface that strong and some of those movements can cause pull hooks.

[NikeGolferTX]

39 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Down and across fades generally go shorter than upward aoa fades. Upward aoa fades go the same distance as draws and potentially longer. The guys on tour who hit down and fade it are almost neutral and hitting a straight ball. Very minimally down and left. Excluding the few that will occasionally hit a bunt fairway finder specialty shot. They also have the clubhead speed to support it.

 

But I think the thing for you to consider is that it can be difficult to consistently use your entire body to hold off a clubface that strong and some of those movements can cause pull hooks.

Thanks for the info! 

 

I was messing around with a different pattern earlier this summer, but I never implemented it, kind of forgot about it. It's similar to Dustin Johnson. His back leg releases starting at #4 & #5 below, whereas mine stays planted and then drags. It felt like it took the stress off my body when I did so. 

 

 

This is a practice swing I did with that pattern (apart from the fade path), it might be worth pursuing with a fade:

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by NikeGolferTX