AMG video on : setting the record straight on our golf swing analysis

[virtuoso]

48 minutes ago, ALIF said:

 I don’t know what else could be said for this topic.

Absolutely, but in the WRX context that's beside the point. The main function of the WRX is to produce excessive things said.

[virtuoso]

39 minutes ago, Primo1868 said:

As a "lurker" more often than not:

I use more brain power trying to comprehend and apply your contribution to threads than anything I've ever read on the internet. Everything you say is like a riddle to me, which is fun to try to figure out. I truly question if you and I are even from the same planet. 

Being vague and mysterious is fun, but nobody will pay you for it. You have to offer the riddle for free.

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

But what caused what?

 

Exactly.

 

7 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

And GEARS data can be referenced in relation to any of the desired origin stories or hypotheses

 

It's just data. It's not inherently… anything. It's just data. You still need a golf instructor out there to interpret, decide, focus, etc.

[virtuoso]

5 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Same.
 

And GEARS data can be referenced in relation to any of the desired origin stories or hypotheses

Agreed. And you and I have had discussions about the challenge of actually getting someone to do something different. Maybe the correct origin story of all the pieces can help someone change...or maybe the damage is done and it doesn't matter.

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Agreed. And you and I have had discussions about the challenge of actually getting someone to do something different. Maybe the correct origin story of all the pieces can help someone change...or maybe the damage is done and it doesn't matter.

 

I think the origin story is important, but not critically so.

 

If you change the problem, the body will try to solve it. So if you force someone to somehow keep the right arm bent, they'll figure out (maybe not correctly or "best") how to get the club to the ball. One of my college players (he came this way) solved it by standing REALLY close to the ball (he hit a lot of shanks, too). Etc.

 

Other players might be shown how to get the right shoulder lower, and to stop fatting it… they'll solve the problem by having a bit more bend in the right elbow at impact.

 

The origin story might help you do something the "fastest" or "easiest" but… it's not all the time.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by iacas

[virtuoso]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I think the origin story is important, but not critically so.

 

If you change the problem, the body will try to solve it. So if you force someone to somehow keep the right arm bent, they'll figure out (maybe not correctly or "best") how to get the club to the ball. One of my college players (he came this way) solved it by standing REALLY close to the ball (he hit a lot of shanks, too). Etc.

 

Other players might be shown how to get the right shoulder lower, and to stop fatting it… they'll solve the problem by having a bit more bend in the right elbow at impact.

 

The origin story might help you do something the "fastest" or "easiest" but… it's not all the time.

 

Yeah, and I would think that the problem solving is somewhat determined by whatever we would define as an "athletic instinct." IE, if you force another piece in there, the athlete might add the other more correct matching piece to bring it together, whereas the non-athlete will try it for one range session, give up, tell his buddies that you ruined his swing, and then allow the piece you fixed to come skipping back in.

[MPStrat]

21 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Maybe the correct origin story of all the pieces can help someone change...or maybe the damage is done and it doesn't matter.

Not a pleasant topic but an interesting one 

[iacas]

11 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

whereas the non-athlete will try it for one range session, give up, tell his buddies that you ruined his swing, and then allow the piece you fixed to come skipping back in.

 

Agreed, except that I don't think the line is as clearly drawn along "athlete/non-athlete" as you implied (or how I read what you wrote). Sometimes the "athlete" assumes the most that he should be able to "do it" the fastest/easiest/best and thus is the most reluctant to give it time.

[Zitlow]

22 hours ago, Primo1868 said:

As a "lurker" more often than not:

I use more brain power trying to comprehend and apply your contribution to threads than anything I've ever read on the internet. Everything you say is like a riddle to me, which is fun to try to figure out. I truly question if you and I are even from the same planet. 

 

That's funny, when I first met Mike Austin I didn't understand what he was saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just an average person putting out some of the things I learned from Austin and Mike Dunaway who connected the dots for me. 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Zitlow

[virtuoso]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

 

Agreed, except that I don't think the line is as clearly drawn along "athlete/non-athlete" as you implied (or how I read what you wrote). Sometimes the "athlete" assumes the most that he should be able to "do it" the fastest/easiest/best and thus is the most reluctant to give it time.

Yeah, that's a fair point because to "actually" take any changes to the golf course (not just making the swing look a little different on video) is enormously more time and work than almost everyone thinks. 

[jonsnow]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

Being vague and mysterious is fun, but nobody will pay you for it. You have to offer the riddle for free.

 

[RobertBaron]

18 hours ago, virtuoso said:

Exactly, Saguto Golf has more subscribers than AMG and doesn't need clickbait to do it--just solid, easy to understand information and no unrealistic promises. AMG could learn a thing or two.

I mean Saguto is pretty clickbait-y too. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by RobertBaron

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

Yeah, that's a fair point because to "actually" take any changes to the golf course (not just making the swing look a little different on video) is enormously more time and work than almost everyone thinks. 

I put up a chart from Tiger the other day.

 

The 6 steps to how to get better at golf.

 

1.  Figure out the problem.

2.  Make it look better.

3.  Then it feels better

4.  Then you hit it better.

5.  Then you hit it better on the course.

6.  Then you hit it better when it matters.

 

Everyone wants to skip all the steps.  Now there should be some immediate improvement in something if the change is appropriate, but golfers lament every bad shot to begin with, so there’s no getting passed that.  

 

”This feels weird,” is the number 1 reason golfers don’t get better.

 

I once put up in a Facebook forum that “This feels weird,” and lamenting not hitting it better on the first attempt with a new movement are why golfers don’t improve.  I was flooded with responses that if it feels weird and they didn’t hit the first shot better, I was teaching the wrong thing.  That mass delusion was  as eye opening as when I found out there was no Santa Claus.

 

My favorite is I get this email at least 3-5 times a year.

 

Its a Wednesday…

 

”Monte, I hear your one of the best, I’d like to come in tomorrow for a lesson.”

 

I apologize I have nothing available tomorrow, but have an opening 2 weeks from tomorrow.

 

”That’s not going to work because…..”

 

Leaving for a big trip to Pebble tomorrow

I have my club championship this weekend

Im leaving for a big member guest at Medinah Friday

etc.

 

Then never hear from them again.

 

There are two mantras that I hate.

 

1.  The golfer’s idea that positive change will be quick and painless.

2.  The long time narrative you have to get worse before you get better.

 

Both horrible.

 

Getting better at golf is a process that involves gradual and sometimes too minimal to notice improvement in the short term.  It’s not linear and it’s often not noticeable in the short term like losing weight.

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by MonteScheinblum

[KD1]

38 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

 

 

The Sphinx! THAT'S IT! I've been trying to put my finger on it for months now but I just could not remember who he reminds me of. Thank you, jonsnow!

[MonteScheinblum]

2 minutes ago, KD1 said:

 

The Sphinx! THAT'S IT! I've been trying to put my finger on it for months now but I just could not remember who he reminds me of. Thank you, jonsnow!

I preferred The Spleen.  I can relate.

[KD1]

I relate to Invisible Boy. I'm an amazing golfer as long as no one is looking.

[MonteScheinblum]

Just now, KD1 said:

I relate to Invisible Boy. I'm an amazing golfer as long as no one is looking.

You win the internet 

[me05501]

3 hours ago, iacas said:

@golfarb1, what's your response?

 

You made a post, they've now replied with a one-hour video. What's your response to the video? Cite time stamps, do whatever. It's curious (to me, mildly) that you've not replied to the video.

 

This is so weird. 

 

@golfarb1 dashed off a post and moved on with his life. AMG replied with a one-hour video. What's @golfarb1 supposed to do now, release a miniseries? 

 

He's much smarter to let it go. Setting a good example, if you will. 

[virtuoso]

49 minutes ago, RobertBaron said:

I mean Saguto is pretty clickbait-y too. 

Dude, I hadn't seen those. He is clickbait-y! Does he have a bunch of others like that?

[virtuoso]

50 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

I put up a chart from Tiger the other day.

 

The 6 steps to how to get better at golf.

 

1.  Figure out the problem.

2.  Make it look better.

3.  Then it feels better

4.  Then you hit it better.

5.  Then you hit it better on the course.

6.  Then you hit it better when it matters.

 

Everyone wants to skip all the steps.  Now there should be some immediate improvement in something if the change is appropriate, but golfers lament every bad shot to begin with, so there’s no getting passed that.  

 

”This feels weird,” is the number 1 reason golfers don’t get better.

 

I once put up in a Facebook forum that “This feels weird,” and lamenting not hitting it better on the first attempt with a new movement are why golfers don’t improve.  I was flooded with responses that if it feels weird and they didn’t hit the first shot better, I was teaching the wrong thing.  That mass delusion was  as eye opening as when I found out there was no Santa Claus.

 

My favorite is I get this email at least 3-5 times a year.

 

Its a Wednesday…

 

”Monte, I hear your one of the best, I’d like to come in tomorrow for a lesson.”

 

I apologize I have nothing available tomorrow, but have an opening 2 weeks from tomorrow.

 

”That’s not going to work because…..”

 

Leaving for a big trip to Pebble tomorrow

I have my club championship this weekend

Im leaving for a big member guest at Medinah Friday

etc.

 

Then never hear from them again.

 

There are two mantras that I hate.

 

1.  The golfer’s idea that positive change will be quick and painless.

2.  The long time narrative you have to get worse before you get better.

 

Both horrible.

 

Getting better at golf is a process that involves gradual and sometimes too minimal to notice improvement in the short term.  It’s not linear and it’s often not noticeable in the short term like losing weight.

 

 

 

Agreed, but Tiger got 3 and 4 mixed up.

[MonteScheinblum]

2 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Agreed, but Tiger got 3 and 4 mixed up.

Good point…..spend all day long hearing….”My path and AOA are better and the good strikes are much better, but this feels weird.”….but who am I to argue with him?

Edited November 2, 2023 by MonteScheinblum

[virtuoso]

3 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Good point…..spend all day long hearing….”My path and AOA are better and the good strikes are much better, but this feels weird.”

Yeah, I know what he means, but as you know, when working with students, you finally get them to actually make the "weird" move (which they never would have tried on their own, ever) and they flush it....and they look at you with stars in their eyes. Obviously at that point the "awkward" feel becomes "awkward but neat in a strange new way."

Edited November 2, 2023 by virtuoso

[jonsnow]

43 minutes ago, KD1 said:

 

The Sphinx! THAT'S IT! I've been trying to put my finger on it for months now but I just could not remember who he reminds me of. Thank you, jonsnow!

Glad to be of service. I'm a cornucopia of useless trivia...My golf game is more of a Mr. Furious these days. I keep telling myself you never were good enough to justify getting this mad. It doesn't help.

[Albatross Dreamer]

1 hour ago, me05501 said:

 

This is so weird. 

 

@golfarb1 dashed off a post and moved on with his life. AMG replied with a one-hour video. What's @golfarb1 supposed to do now, release a miniseries? 

 

He's much smarter to let it go. Setting a good example, if you will. 

Yes that's exactly what @golfarb1 should do. While he's at it might as well get the PIF to sponsor it too for maximal drama. Think Norman or Mickelson would make a better narrator? "golfarb1 used to be your ordinary WRX'r, little did he know how much his life was about to change".

Edited November 2, 2023 by Albatross Dreamer

[MonteScheinblum]

24 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

Glad to be of service. I'm a cornucopia of useless trivia...My golf game is more of a Mr. Furious these days. I keep telling myself you never were good enough to justify getting this mad. It doesn't help.

First off, cornucopia is one of my favorite words.  It’s what I yell when F and S aren’t appropriate.  I’m also library of useless trivia.  At parties it’s the room against me…lol

[virtuoso]

59 minutes ago, me05501 said:

 

This is so weird. 

 

@golfarb1 dashed off a post and moved on with his life. AMG replied with a one-hour video. What's @golfarb1 supposed to do now, release a miniseries? 

 

He's much smarter to let it go. Setting a good example, if you will. 

There are different ways to define it....move on, set a good example, run away, retreat, cower, pout...whatever...

[jonsnow]

12 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

There are different ways to define it....move on, set a good example, run away, retreat, cower, pout...whatever...

 

[RobertBaron]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

Dude, I hadn't seen those. He is clickbait-y! Does he have a bunch of others like that?

Yes. Like every other YouTube channel with tons of subs. It’s pretty much the only way to get an audience 

[MK7Golf21]

1 minute ago, RobertBaron said:

Yes. Like every other YouTube channel with tons of subs. It’s pretty much the only way to get an audience 

 

That's marketing 101 for youtube these days, they all use the same editor it looks like, LOL. 

[Hilts1969]

1 hour ago, me05501 said:

 

This is so weird. 

 

@golfarb1 dashed off a post and moved on with his life. AMG replied with a one-hour video. What's @golfarb1 supposed to do now, release a miniseries? 

 

He's much smarter to let it go. Setting a good example, if you will. 

 

Or realised he spouted stuff with nothing to back it up and to his surprise AMG showed his ramblings up for what they were. 

 

You call good example when the reality is he can't argue the actual points in the video. It's actually hiding. A good example would have been holding his hands up really.

 

He could have at least deflected and waffled on about click bait or something;-)