Losing the tush line - Need Help

[Hackinator]

How the heck do I keep my butt back on the tush line.

I know I have a bunch of other issues.  But trying to focus on one thing at time.  

 

This is driving me crazy... as I have tried everything.

 

I don't know if this is due to my right knee working to the ball, but I cant also figure out how to stop the right knee working towards the ball no matter what I try.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

[596]

I'm no expert but I've been working on this for nearly 18 months.

 

You move your left hip toward the ball in the back swing.  Moving it way closer to the ball.  The correct move is to move your right hip back, not your left hip forward.  On the down swing it's the opposite. Your right hip stays, as much as possible back, and your left hip moves up and back.  This will allow you to maintain your distance to ball, give you tons of room for hands and club to come through as well as not requiring you to stand up at impact.

 

It's completely the opposite of what is natural for most people.

[Hackinator]

Hmmm... I sort of understand what you are saying...

 

When you said move the right hip back, I kind of realized when I was turning I was turning into the toes of my right foot.

 

 

If I turn into the heel of my right foot instead,  the left hip doesnt pop out as much.  

At least this was after doing a quick check in the mirror.  It seemed the left hip moved less.

 

So maybe it was just as simple as getting the weight to the heel of the right foot, which I wasnt doing.

 

I will play around with this tomorrow, maybe that was the key I was missing, to get weight onto heel of right foot.

 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, 596 said:

I'm no expert but I've been working on this for nearly 18 months.

 

You move your left hip toward the ball in the back swing.  Moving it way closer to the ball.  The correct move is to move your right hip back, not your left hip forward.  On the down swing it's the opposite. Your right hip stays, as much as possible back, and your left hip moves up and back.  This will allow you to maintain your distance to ball, give you tons of room for hands and club to come through as well as not requiring you to stand up at impact.

 

It's completely the opposite of what is natural for most people.

 

[Hackinator]

I found this video... 

 

Maybe this is was the key.

 

 

 

[596]

Yes.  An error you'll want to avoid is completely straightening the right leg.  Right knee should still have some bend. 

 

Search youtube for a video by AMG hip rotation Amateur v Pro.  

Edited February 24 by 596

[LeoLeo99]

What I see and how to fix it are two different things.  It's good that you put the line at the top of your head.  You see that you're rising up and then dipping down.  That's the problem that I see.  You're not maintaining your spine angle.  They club is very upright at the top of your backswing.  I'd advise a good professional to zero in on the root cause of your issues.  You can't try to fix the swing flaws independent of each other.  It's a recipe for frustration.  

[Hackinator]

31 minutes ago, LeoLeo99 said:

What I see and how to fix it are two different things.  It's good that you put the line at the top of your head.  You see that you're rising up and then dipping down.  That's the problem that I see.  You're not maintaining your spine angle.  They club is very upright at the top of your backswing.  I'd advise a good professional to zero in on the root cause of your issues.  You can't try to fix the swing flaws independent of each other.  It's a recipe for frustration.  

Thanks yes, I am aware.  That's why I put the line above my head.

 

You are right about the club being upright.  I saw that as well, I didnt realize I was bringing up so vertical.

 

I have an updated video, where my tush line and spine angle are much better.

 

 

 

[596]

Your initial move is much better.  On the downswing you are moving your right hip well toward the ball. This closes the distance to the ball forcing you to stand to create room for your hands to move through.  You need to learn to move your left hip back not your right hip forward on the downswing.

 

A thought that I use to accomplish this is to feel the right hip go under the left hip towards the target as the left hip moves backwards  in the downswing. 

 

Hope that helps

Edited February 25 by 596

[Hackinator]

25 minutes ago, 596 said:

Your initial move is much better.  On the downswing you are moving your right hip well toward the ball. This closes the distance to the ball forcing you to stand to create room for your hands to move through.  You need to learn to move your left hip back not your right hip forward on the downswing.

 

A thought that I use to accomplish this is to feel the right hip go under the left hip towards the target as the left hip moves backwards  in the downswing. 

 

Hope that helps

 

Are you shifting your weight to the heel of your left foot before turning your left hip?

 

My first move from top, is to shift the weight over to my left foot.  Maybe this shift is not being done correctly.

 

 

 

[596]

Your weight should shift "before you get to the top".  This allows you to turn the left hip back.  You can't turn your left hip back unless you have weight on it. 

[Hackinator]

Thanks again.

 

I was trying your right hip under left hip move, and I have to say this is making a huge difference.

 

It feels like that right knee is moving more lateral now, and overall the swing feels smoother and I think I am hitting my follow through better than before.

 

Have to take this to the range and see how I am actually hitting the ball.

 

 

3 hours ago, 596 said:

Your weight should shift "before you get to the top".  This allows you to turn the left hip back.  You can't turn your left hip back unless you have weight on it. 

 

 

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, Hackinator said:

Thanks again.

 

I was trying your right hip under left hip move, and I have to say this is making a huge difference.

 

It feels like that right knee is moving more lateral now, and overall the swing feels smoother and I think I am hitting my follow through better than before.

 

Have to take this to the range and see how I am actually hitting the ball.

 

 

 

 

@596 gave you you good advice here, keep pushing this further. I'm roughly color coding this for visual help with a basic "red = bad, green = good" continuum. 

Your first swing was: no right hip back + massive left hip forward -> massive loss of tilt -> no left hip back + massive right hip forward

Basically an archetypal "bad hip rotation" sequence where everything is working in reverse of what it should be, all bad as noted. This is typical of what happens when you approach the golf swing intuitively and only do what feels easy/natural, something a proper lower body rotational sequence definitely is *not* unfortunately.

You've pretty quickly progressed to: minor right hip back + moderate left hip forward -> minor loss of tilt -> no left hip back + massive right hip forward. 

You've cleaned up the first half a decent amount which is good, but this is just the first step because the second half (downswing) is basically the same as the first swing and the first half still needs "more". The moderate improvements in the first half give room for the "bad" in the second half to not mess things up as much. 



Talor Gooch here is a more exaggerated comparison for illustrative purposes, but note the difference in specifically where your hips are going vs. his. Your right hip dives down towards the ball throughout the entire downswing with no rotation coming from the left hip. If you think about it like a door + hinge combination, your right side is the door turning around the "hinge" that is your left side, and Talor is the opposite. Learning to feel this and perform it correctly is difficult and takes time so keep taking videos and see what you can progress to on your own. Keepin that practice ball is a good idea too because it will keep you from "cheating" with a practice swing that doesn't have impact to account for.  

Edited February 25 by Valtiel

[596]

Valtiel  - I thought you would get here eventually!!  😁

 

I tried my best not to mess him up even worse! 

[Hackinator]

Wow, thanks for the analysis!

 

I definitely see a lot of issues with the side by side video.

 

Before you sent this out, I had been working on using my glutes to maintain my posture better.

Basically keeping the belt buckle pointed DOWN not UP thru the hit and really using the glutes to not allow the body to rise.

 

Also, doing what 596 recommends with the hips.  I think I have more improvement. hopefully.

 

I will work on another video soon.

 

 

[gripandrip]

I return to this every once in a while when I get a little off. Best I have seen as describing this whole situation.

 

[Hackinator]

Well, I've been trying the new moves, but still can't get that tush line to look correct. 😞

 

When I do this against a wall at home and pretend I am swinging a club, I can easily get both butt cheeks to touch the wall on both the backswing and forward swing.  

 

But once I actually try to hit a ball for real, I can't make it happen.   I am still moving 4 to 5 inches of the wall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[txbadger]

7 hours ago, Hackinator said:

Well, I've been trying the new moves, but still can't get that tush line to look correct. 😞

 

did you make corrections as mentioned in the video that @gripandrip posted... specifically referring to correcting your vertical shins (he starts talking about it at 3:37 in the video, but at 3:54 you can see that they had to correct that for "John" first before he was able to be setup to move the pelvis correctly).   Looking at your videos posted previously, it looks like you have vertical shins

 

For me adding more bend in the knee when you think you have bend is a real lesson in the "feel is not real" mantra.   

Edited February 27 by txbadger

[Hackinator]

10 hours ago, txbadger said:

 

did you make corrections as mentioned in the video that @gripandrip posted... specifically referring to correcting your vertical shins (he starts talking about it at 3:37 in the video, but at 3:54 you can see that they had to correct that for "John" first before he was able to be setup to move the pelvis correctly).   Looking at your videos posted previously, it looks like you have vertical shins

 

For me adding more bend in the knee when you think you have bend is a real lesson in the "feel is not real" mantra.   

 

That is such a subtle thing.. Let me look into that.  I never thought of doing this with the vertical shins.

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Since my last post, I think I have a move that finally might allow me to do it correctly.

 

I got the move from James Parker golf.

 

Basically, what he instructs is to use the toes in your left foot as a brake during the downswing.

I now am sort of gripping the ground with left toes on the transition/ early downswing. 

Before I was never really consciously gripping the ground with my feet ever.

 

Then soon after, I push backwards with the left foot, which forces the left hip to work around.

 

It doesn't feel like my hips move whatsoever towards the ball now.

 

But I haven't recorded my swing yet to see if what I feel is true.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hackinator]

Latest video included.

 

Let me know what you think of my hip movements.

 

Thanks

 

 

[Hackinator]

Unfortunately with all the advice everyone has been giving me, I still I am having difficulty maintaining that tush line.

I swear I have tried everything.

 

Finally, I got a piece of advice that the right shoulder drops down from the top.

By not dropping it I think it is pretty much making it impossible to get other  things in the swing to work correctly and making me get out of my posture.

 

I started dropping the shoulder down (really exaggerating) , and this kind of forces me to delay releasing the club as well, as I would smash the ground.. lol

 

The good news, my swing is finally started to look I am maintaining the tush line, and my upper body is quite bent over thru the hit (much closer to the pros, where as before it was still upright)

 

I don't have a video yet because I just started doing this recently. 

 But just wondering if you guys think I am on the right track, with getting the right shoulder down immediately for the top of the swing.

Basically down, then forward, and to the left.

 

Thanks.