UST Mamiya AXIVcore Tour Red.... Best bang for the buck shaft available?

[Ugo DeRosa]

I have this shaft and really like it. I love my Whiteboard, but it is twice the price and it definitely is not twice as good.

 

This shaft is generating some buzz, but I think it deserves even more. I just noticed that Ping is offering the AXIVcore Tour Red shaft as a regular factory option (i.e. you do not have to go through the Ping WRX department to get it) with the new I-15 Driver, the other option being Ping's own TFC shaft. I think this, along with the number of Tour players hitting this shaft, will increase the buzz.

 

So.... Is the AXIVcore Tour Red the best bang for the buck shaft in the tour-quality, low launch, low spin category?

[Richie18]

The AXIVcore Tour Green is their low launch low spin shaft, the Tour Red is more a mid launch, mid spin shaft. Unfortunately the green is available to retail. I would say the Tour Red is more comparable to a Diamana Blueboard.

[Ugo DeRosa]

Agreed- I did not proof my posting and was typing too fast- the launch of the AXIVcore tour red is a mid-launch, but I would still say it is more low spin, not mid-spin. The AXIVcore Tour Red is not as low launching as my Whiteboard, but it is definitely lower launching than my Fubuki, which I consider to be a high launching shaft. At least it is for me.

[Jimbo999]

The AXIV series does sound pretty good and great value, I hope they release the green to the public!

[Richie18]

[quote name='Ugo DeRosa' post='1864167' date='Aug 4 2009, 01:40 PM']Agreed- I did not proof my posting and was typing too fast- the launch of the AXIVcore tour red is a mid-launch, but I would still say it is more low spin, not mid-spin. The AXIVcore Tour Red is not as low launching as my Whiteboard, but it is definitely lower launching than my Fubuki, which I consider to be a high launching shaft. At least it is for me.[/quote]


I wouldn't group it as a "Spin killer" as some note the Whiteboard shaft to be, among others. But i would say it is a "true" mid spin shaft in that it is a step above the WB, again because there is a Tour Green this indicates its not UST's low spinnning version, but also i say this because it seems there are aftermarket shafts that are labeled as midspin but really it is only a reference to there own shaft line in which it would be a higher spin when compared to other higher end shafts.

My father has a TM Burner 3w he balloons and gets very little distance. I've been debating which shaft to recommend to him to put in it to get his launch and spin down. The stock shaft is a 55 gram shaft, way too light for him. He can poke his driver about 275.

I've been debating between the Proforce AXIVcore Black or Red, the Black is in my Adams A7 Hybrid and it doesn't ballon on me and has very penetrating ballflight and i would say is somewhat lower spin as it will roll out a little when i hit it from the tee.

When telling him that he should put this shaft in his 3W he asks "What is it like?" I read off the specs on UST's website and it says its a "high launch shaft", and he responds "Why would i want high launch?". Of course since he already balloons his 3W he just doesn't get that this shaft would play so much truer to spec in that it would be a good fit for his 3W with a high launch and good spin for his 3W. I think the Red would be too low of launch and spin, resulting in a lot of roll with little carry.

Point is good shafts play true to spec, which can be misleading when they are labeled mid spin which people interpret as not being a good shaft.

[Yanger]

I'm a big fan of Axivcore shafts - though I lean towards the ACCRA shafts even after the merger with UST. They are also a good shaft with a bunch of options at a decent price.

[dpark]

What is the street price of the AXIV Red? I thought it was still around $150+. If so, I would say take a look at the Fuji E-360 shaft. It was a great find for me and I think it every bit as good as the BB and I got mine new (last year's graphics) for $40 online (not ebay).

[Jimbo999]

In the UK they can be had for about £70

[Ugo DeRosa]

[quote name='Richie18' post='1864256' date='Aug 4 2009, 01:20 PM'][quote name='Ugo DeRosa' post='1864167' date='Aug 4 2009, 01:40 PM']Agreed- I did not proof my posting and was typing too fast- the launch of the AXIVcore tour red is a mid-launch, but I would still say it is more low spin, not mid-spin. The AXIVcore Tour Red is not as low launching as my Whiteboard, but it is definitely lower launching than my Fubuki, which I consider to be a high launching shaft. At least it is for me.[/quote]


I wouldn't group it as a "Spin killer" as some note the Whiteboard shaft to be, among others. But i would say it is a "true" mid spin shaft in that it is a step above the WB, again because there is a Tour Green this indicates its not UST's low spinnning version, but also i say this because it seems there are aftermarket shafts that are labeled as midspin but really it is only a reference to there own shaft line in which it would be a higher spin when compared to other higher end shafts.

My father has a TM Burner 3w he balloons and gets very little distance. I've been debating which shaft to recommend to him to put in it to get his launch and spin down. The stock shaft is a 55 gram shaft, way too light for him. He can poke his driver about 275.

I've been debating between the Proforce AXIVcore Black or Red, the Black is in my Adams A7 Hybrid and it doesn't ballon on me and has very penetrating ballflight and i would say is somewhat lower spin as it will roll out a little when i hit it from the tee.

When telling him that he should put this shaft in his 3W he asks "What is it like?" I read off the specs on UST's website and it says its a "high launch shaft", and he responds "Why would i want high launch?". Of course since he already balloons his 3W he just doesn't get that this shaft would play so much truer to spec in that it would be a good fit for his 3W with a high launch and good spin for his 3W. I think the Red would be too low of launch and spin, resulting in a lot of roll with little carry.

Point is good shafts play true to spec, which can be misleading when they are labeled mid spin which people interpret as not being a good shaft.


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Well, this is not a big deal, but I am going to have to disagree once again on the spin issue.

Your point about "mid-spin, as compared to other UST shafts only" is a point well taken, but in the context of other shafts, from my perspective, the Red is definitely in the low or low-mid spin category.

Proof? Well, first, my personal observations. With the i-Mix, I can swap out shafts. The Whiteboard is, without question, among the lowest launch, lowest spin shafts available at any price or from any manufacturer and could be considered one of the "gold standard" shafts in the low launch, low spin categories. So, when I swap in the Tour Red and W/B, I can see with my own eyes on the driving range how the Tour Red compares with the W/B. To be sure, I am not a professional golfer, engineer or industry insider and just have to rely on what I see and feel which can be flawed. I have not had the Tour Red on a launch monitor. However, thanks to the internet and sites such as this, information like this can be gathered.

The Titleist website is a great resource. They have charts comparing, in relative terms, the launch and spin charateristics of quite a few of the best and most popular shafts, from almost all the major shaft manufacturers. Again, I agree that what we all want to know, is how shafts perform relative to all the major manufacturers, not necessarily just among shafts made by one manufacturer.

Here are the links:
[url="http://www.titleist.com/images/products/pdfs/909_shaft_chart.pdf"]http://www.titleist.com/images/products/pd...shaft_chart.pdf[/url]
[url="http://www.titleist.com/golfclubs/shafts_grips/shafts/default.asp"]http://www.titleist.com/golfclubs/shafts_g...fts/default.asp[/url]

As you will see, the AXIVcore Tour Red is a "low-mid" trajectory shaft (note that the UST website list the launch of the Tour Red as "Medium-High"). So, we are both correct on the trajectory (it is mid to low-mid). However, on my argument about spin, you will note that the AXIVcore Blue is deemed to be a "mid" spin shaft, relative to all other major manufacturers. I am sure you will conceed that the AXIVcore Tour Red is lower spinning than the Blue, and, as such, you can draw the conclusion that the Tour Red is either low or low-mid spinning.

To be clear, I am not proposing that the only "good" shafts are the low spin variety. A "good" shaft is a shaft that best fits your swing characteristics and what you are trying to achieve.

[thlongball]

I've hit tons of different shats.... Axivcore Red is mid launch/LOW spin as found by me and any other player I know who's playing it (4 BTW) I'd have to agree with Ugo (another guy who's playing it) It's definitely not mid spin....

Sidenote: If you're the anomally who spins whiteboards and F7M2 LTD's to the moon then yes it's probably mid spin.... but for the MAJORITY of players I'd say it's going to be on the Low Spin side of the coin.... this was told to me many times by UST and the numbers have proven it...

In reference to the original post.... definitely the BEST BANG for the BUCK shaft going IMO......

[Boogs2]

I havent hit a Whiteboard yet, but for some reason I think I can put at least 4000rpm spin on any low spin driver/shaft combo...lol

[mrlongball]

What about tipping? Anybodyplay a driver Tour Red S or X tipped an inch and now what it does to spin launch, shaft flex etc....

[Stix]

Well, I haven't tried the red or black Axivcores, but I do have an Axivcore tour proto green in X flex and played it a couple times in my D3. It is their lowest launch and spin shaft and is a very good shaft, especially for the money. I just found that the Matrix shafts perform better for me.

The green proto performed like a V2 (which I really liked), but WAY better and MORE smoother feeling. The X feels true to flex and gave me tight dispersion as well (very similar to the Matrix HD6 I'm playing, but a little shorter in distance for me). I was very impressed with the green proto.

Btw, if anyone is interested in it, send me a PM.

[shane0mac1234]

How does the red AXIVcore compare to the Fuikura Motore F1?

[MtlJeff]

I find the Axivcore's pretty good but nothing special, they play very weak to flex and i don't find them to be as smooth as some of the other high torque shafts out there. To be honest for mid launch i'd actually prefer the cheaper proforce V2