Am I shallowing the club enough?

Attached should be a video of my swing. Am I shallowing the club enough ? Is there anything specific in my swing that is preventing me from shallowing the club in transition? I’ve been trying to shallow it more for months with zero success. I tend to pull the ball. Thanks in advance.

In your backswing you don't create enough depth with your lead arm (left arm for you). Shaft looks laid off by p3 (left arm parallel to ground), which wants to steepen in transition. Ideally you want more lead arm depth in your backswing, and load the shaft vertically (use of proper wrist hinge) and try to eliminate the "arm lift" you do. Your arms want to lift because you're not creating enough depth

long story short: you want a vertically loaded shaft with hands/lead arm deeper in your pivot, which helps you set you up for shallowing / laying off the shaft in transition. I would start with making changes in your backswing first and then film it to see what your downswing looks like so you know what issues to address there in order to match things up.

I'm not an instructor but in slow motion it looks like you lunge at the ball with your upper body. Look at how your left knee doesn't move till after you move your upper body down to the ball. Shouldn't you start the swing by shifting to the left from the ground up so the club can fall into place? Instead of bump, dump and turn as Monte says, your move is dump, bump and turn

> @thebogeyputt said:

> In your backswing you don't create enough depth with your lead arm (left arm for you). Shaft looks laid off by p3 (left arm parallel to ground), which wants to steepen in transition. Ideally you want more lead arm depth in your backswing, and load the shaft vertically (use of proper wrist hinge) and try to eliminate the "arm lift" you do. Your arms want to lift because you're not creating enough depth

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> long story short: you want a vertically loaded shaft with hands/lead arm deeper in your pivot, which helps you set you up for shallowing / laying off the shaft in transition. I would start with making changes in your backswing first and then film it to see what your downswing looks like so you know what issues to address there in order to match things up.

Pretty much nailed it

Judging by Rickie Fowler's performance this weekend, maybe the whole 'shallow the shaft' thing is a little over valued.

> @iteachgolf said:

> > @thebogeyputt said:

> > In your backswing you don't create enough depth with your lead arm (left arm for you). Shaft looks laid off by p3 (left arm parallel to ground), which wants to steepen in transition. Ideally you want more lead arm depth in your backswing, and load the shaft vertically (use of proper wrist hinge) and try to eliminate the "arm lift" you do. Your arms want to lift because you're not creating enough depth

> >

> > long story short: you want a vertically loaded shaft with hands/lead arm deeper in your pivot, which helps you set you up for shallowing / laying off the shaft in transition. I would start with making changes in your backswing first and then film it to see what your downswing looks like so you know what issues to address there in order to match things up.

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> Pretty much nailed it

Thanks guys. Can you explain what you mean by “depth with your lead arm”? I’m not real familiar with golf swing terminology.

Do I create the depth by actively doing something with hands/arms in backswing or is it more of a body movement in the backswing that creates the depth.

Thanks

Turn your torso more in the backswing. Your basically all arms. Think about turning your rib cage and letting the arms come along for the ride.

> @Whitetail said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @thebogeyputt said:

> > > In your backswing you don't create enough depth with your lead arm (left arm for you). Shaft looks laid off by p3 (left arm parallel to ground), which wants to steepen in transition. Ideally you want more lead arm depth in your backswing, and load the shaft vertically (use of proper wrist hinge) and try to eliminate the "arm lift" you do. Your arms want to lift because you're not creating enough depth

> > >

> > > long story short: you want a vertically loaded shaft with hands/lead arm deeper in your pivot, which helps you set you up for shallowing / laying off the shaft in transition. I would start with making changes in your backswing first and then film it to see what your downswing looks like so you know what issues to address there in order to match things up.

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> > Pretty much nailed it

>

> Thanks guys. Can you explain what you mean by “depth with your lead arm”? I’m not real familiar with golf swing terminology.

> Do I create the depth by actively doing something with hands/arms in backswing or is it more of a body movement in the backswing that creates the depth.

> Thanks

Depth is about the relationship between your lead (left) arm and shoulders - your hands are well above them at the top of backswing vs being more in line with them (where they would be farther from the ball horizontally). It’s easier to shallow from a deeper position, takes less time.

But also play attention to getting the shaft more vertical going back. When you’re laid off halfway back the momentum at the top takes it toward ott.

> @Whitetail said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @thebogeyputt said:

> > > In your backswing you don't create enough depth with your lead arm (left arm for you). Shaft looks laid off by p3 (left arm parallel to ground), which wants to steepen in transition. Ideally you want more lead arm depth in your backswing, and load the shaft vertically (use of proper wrist hinge) and try to eliminate the "arm lift" you do. Your arms want to lift because you're not creating enough depth

> > >

> > > long story short: you want a vertically loaded shaft with hands/lead arm deeper in your pivot, which helps you set you up for shallowing / laying off the shaft in transition. I would start with making changes in your backswing first and then film it to see what your downswing looks like so you know what issues to address there in order to match things up.

> >

> > Pretty much nailed it

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> Thanks guys. Can you explain what you mean by “depth with your lead arm”? I’m not real familiar with golf swing terminology.

> Do I create the depth by actively doing something with hands/arms in backswing or is it more of a body movement in the backswing that creates the depth.

> Thanks

In general, at the top you want your hands to be in line with the heel of your foot - your hands are in line with the arch.

The magic drill - keep shaft touching your side until shaft parallel then set wrists and drag stick down your lead leg keeping the stick pointing between the ball and your toes. I find it helps to push the alignment stick into the butt end of the club.

Forgive the crude markups but left hand is at red circle and shaft red line.

Deeper hands and more vertical shaft represented by blue circle and line.

I struggle with the same issue - laid off shaft with butt pointing past ball instead of inside (although the reason is different than yours)

Took about 10 swings trying to get the club deeper and it feels awesome. Haven’t hit a ball outside yet but want to make sure this swing represents what you guys think I should be doing before I really practice it.

Thanks for all the feedback !

Welp, you’re gonna be good in a hurry ?

> @Whitetail said:

> Took about 10 swings trying to get the club deeper and it feels awesome. Haven’t hit a ball outside yet but want to make sure this swing represents what you guys think I should be doing before I really practice it.

> Thanks for all the feedback !

That’s very quick progress in terms of deeper hands and regaining flexion in the downswing. Hard to see what the face is doing at that speed but don’t fret if the ball isn’t going where you want it to start. Next time I would post a down the line and front on with a practice exaggeration swing before you hit it. Don’t try and do too much at once, been there it messes me up.

Tush line and club shaft angle backswing and downswing left arm parallel are good for self analysis

No reason to manipulate something that needs a compensation later in the downswing. At the top do a pec grab with your upper left arm as you right lateral bend and step to your left foot.

Shoulders, arms and club start down in one unit and the shaft automatically flattens.