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  • QManyQMany #TheWRX  9165WRX Points: 286Handicap: +2.5ClubWRX Posts: 9,165
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    I thought it was time for me to make a thread on my swing progress.



    I played soccer and basketball growing up and never gave thought to playing golf at all. After playing college basketball, graduating, and starting law school, I needed something to do during that 3:00-6:00 time I was so used to practicing. I picked up golf and got addicted pretty quick.



    In March 2012, myself and a few (inactive) GolfWRX buddies made our way down to Texarkana. I did a writeup on my trip: 3 GolfWRX Members go to Texarkana. Hilarity Ensues - http://www.golfwrx.c...ilarity-ensues/. While down there, I befriended one of Geoff's really good mini-tour professionals, lv_2_hack.



    From there, as many know, it is really tough to get the Slicefixer swing without seeing the man himself for touchup work. Being friends with lv_2_hack, I was able to bounce some ideas off of him and send him video. An accomplished instructor himself in the OKC area, he was gracious with his help.



    Lv_2_hack became my "swing coach," if a hacker like myself is even allowed to call anyone his swing coach. We really tightened up my swing plane, as I took it back WAY outside from my time with Geoff, just overdoing things. Also, I had a huge lateral slide with my lower AND upper body. I'm embarrassed to even show video before my time with lv_2_hack. My game was getting much better.



    Lv_2_hack recently took his talents to South Beach, or Jacksonville, to see Dan. We'd been following Dan on GolfWRX and understood he was the real deal. Because of short notice, I couldn't make the trip with lv_2_hack.



    After seeing the results from his trip, I was sold. Dan was gracious enough to look over some video for me on here at no cost. I only sent him a driver video, because that is what I was spraying all over the planet the most, and he was quick to see the problem. Lv_2_hack and I were on to great things and were really working on getting my R shoulder to work down. Dan was able to pinpoint the cause of this effect. My clubface was WIDE open.



    I had been working on the clubface and the R shoulder working down for the past 2 weeks. I know it isn't an overnight fix, but my ballstriking was just so erratic compared to what I was used to. I am planning to play in a Missouri Amateur qualifier in 2 weeks, so I bit the bullet and bought Golf Channel SwingFix lessons with Dan. I thought I was on to the right things with lv_2_hack and Dan, but I just wanted that added reassurance that I was on the right path. I had chased a moving target before, only to see that I wasn't addressing the real problem, and I didn't want to do the same again.



    Lesson 1 with Dan: http://swingfix.golf.../matt-1--5/view
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  • cbriancbrian  2280WRX Points: 55Members Posts: 2,280
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    Changing wrist conditions is going to be a huge help IMO. The right elbow stuff is good too, but I'd think you'd see some big changes with just changing the wrists.
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    cbrian wrote:


    Changing wrist conditions is going to be a huge help IMO. The right elbow stuff is good too, but I'd think you'd see some big changes with just changing the wrists.


    I think it will help, too. It is just a really tough change.

    First, I never noticed but my wrists aren't very flexible.

    Second, it is scary as **** to have a pull-hook miss and want to feel more "closed." image/ohmy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />
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    cbrian, iTeach....will the wrist positions changes kind of automatically lower his right shoulder?



    QMany have you tried to really lower your right shoulder to see what it feels like?



    Did you take a divot deeper than mine?



    This cause and effect stuff fascinates me the most.
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    QMany have you tried to really lower your right shoulder to see what it feels like?



    Did you take a divot deeper than mine?


    I have been working on lower R shoulder. It feels really funky for me. In order for me to not stab it in the ground, I have to be very bent with the R arm and it feels really tight and uncontrolled. I'm used to having that right arm more extended and knowing where it is. When I try to drop the R shoulder and keep the R arm, I just have to trust it.



    I usually take pretty shallow divots. Working on this lower R shoulder stuff, I have been digging some trenches. image/ohmy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> Just goes back to the R elbow working with it.
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    QMany wrote:



    QMany have you tried to really lower your right shoulder to see what it feels like?



    Did you take a divot deeper than mine?


    I have been working on lower R shoulder. It feels really funky for me. In order for me to not stab it in the ground, I have to be very bent with the R arm and it feels really tight and uncontrolled. I'm used to having that right arm more extended and knowing where it is. When I try to drop the R shoulder and keep the R arm, I just have to trust it.



    I usually take pretty shallow divots. Working on this lower R shoulder stuff, I have been digging some trenches. image/ohmy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> Just goes back to the R elbow working with it.




    Is it possible to really exagerrate it so you can get a bit more used to it? That way a bit bent means your shoulder is that much lower and you get that much better?
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefBanned Posts: 20,715
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    Hoping for some drills.
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    you need some of my bend and I need some of your straightening and what a great game this would be!
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    iTeach....will his ball flight go down at all once he gets these changes down?
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    Hoping for some drills.


    There are two video (Golf Channel, not Dan) drills added to the lesson.

    Top of Swing - Open Clubface: http://swingfix.golfchannel.com/videos/top-of-swing-open-clubface--2/view

    Downswing - Let the Shoulder Fall: http://swingfix.golfchannel.com/videos/downswing-let-the-shoulder-fall--2/view
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    You and I have very similar fixes to work on from Dan. I'll be interested to follow your progress and maybe pick up a few pointers for myself, hope it goes well for you!
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    I remember a very long time ago my instructor told me the same thing about the right wrist. My "feel" to correct this was to pretend I was a waiter carrying a tray of food like they do in restaurants. This got my right wrist bent more like Dan is talking about. Hope this helps.
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    QMany...can you pop some positions of you at impact please....and maybe some tour pro who has positions more of what you are trying to achieve.
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    I'd like to see your P6 positions too.
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    I'd like to see your P6 positions too.


    This was at Oak Tree working with lv_2_hack.

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    cbrian, iTeach....will the wrist positions changes kind of automatically lower his right shoulder?



    QMany have you tried to really lower your right shoulder to see what it feels like?



    Did you take a divot deeper than mine?



    This cause and effect stuff fascinates me the most.




    I personally don't think so Tembo. We worked on the clubface being shut alot when Q visited a couple of months ago.



    I guess if Q just worked on rt wrist, his misses would likely be low and left. He MIGHT subconsciously start dropping rt shoulder a bit more and keeping rt bent a bit longer to try to push path to right a little and delay bottoming out so early.



    Totally my take. Dan might say that's wrong.
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    QMany...can you pop some positions of you at impact please....and maybe some tour pro who has positions more of what you are trying to achieve.


    DTL_Impact.jpgDTL_Impact_Tiger.jpg



    FO_Impact.jpgFO_Impact_Tiger.jpg
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    lv_2_hack wrote:



    cbrian, iTeach....will the wrist positions changes kind of automatically lower his right shoulder?



    QMany have you tried to really lower your right shoulder to see what it feels like?



    Did you take a divot deeper than mine?



    This cause and effect stuff fascinates me the most.




    I personally don't think so Tembo. We worked on the clubface being shut alot when Q visited a couple of months ago.



    I guess if Q just worked on rt wrist, his misses would likely be low and left. He MIGHT subconsciously start dropping rt shoulder a bit more and keeping rt bent a bit longer to try to push path to right a little and delay bottoming out so early.



    Totally my take. Dan might say that's wrong.




    That's tough then. I'd get the sense if he really kept his right arm bent like a Mahan just to try...he'd miss the ball. I'm not

    seeing how just closing the face will fix the right arm. I have no idea though the cause and effect...so I agree with you lv_2.



    I think after he misses some balls, hits it really fat, and/or starts hitting it low and left...he'll go back to his old move. But hey...put in pieces a bit at a time and work with it.
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    QMany just don't start blaming TM for when you start hitting rocket draws.
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    Don't think of the wrist conditions as only changing the face relative to the target. The wrist conditions will also change the orientation of the shaft. Thats why you don't want to get the club more "closed" by only adjusting the grip or clubface at address.



    Tembolo, I don't know about automatic, but I believe changing the wrist conditions will "open the door" to the other changes. IMO the right shoulder will change the most when the right elbow location at 6 changes. Footwork/hip slants and amount of right elbow fold will change the location of the right shoulder.
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    I love it.. We All have swing journeys on here now

    .. This is awesome
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    Tell me you are at the range now hitting balls.
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    QMany what's up! No love for your thread?
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    QMany you need some of this.



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    Aww he ran away. I love reading these threads as I work on my own swing!
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    QMany how did your tourney go today?
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    Played in an alumni scramble back home this morning. Can't really judge anything off of it. Did hit a few really solid shots (4i and driver).



    Can't get back to the range until Sunday night, but then it is time to grind. Intercity Club Tournament on Thursday and then Missouri State Amateur qualifier two weeks from today.
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    Nice! How about talking a little about what your feels were out there.



    Did you notice you reverted back to something you didn't like? Anything like that?



    What were your misses? Give us the juicy details sir!
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    Handle dragger / lagger





    Good stuff
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    Did you notice you reverted back to something you didn't like? Anything like that?



    What were your misses? Give us the juicy details sir!


    I had one or two straight pushes with irons. Not too far off line. Did have 3-4 pulls. Just reverting back go long right arm and high right shoulder. Did drive the ball better than I have in a while. Miss with driver is a murdered push that goes a mile.
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