current prov1 vs. prov1x, how different are they?

[Eddie]

I was advising about some equipment for a friend and the topic of golf balls came up. These days, I love playing the NOB so I didn't feel qualified to answer the question about what are the true differences in playability between the two balls. I've read before that the prov1 actually spins less, but if anyone who has experience with both can comment, that would be great.

[ragu421]

ProV1 actually spins a little more than the ProV1X. The ProV1X is more of a "distance" ball.

[duff]

ProV1 actually spins a little more than the ProV1X. The ProV1X is more of a "distance" ball.

 

Titleist Pro V1x

The Titleist Pro V1x™ golf ball is designed for serious golfers of all levels seeking long distance with Tour-validated feel and performance. With a new, softer Urethane Elastomer™ cover, the Pro V1x provides improved playability and feel with mid and short irons. Featuring an improved, higher coverage 332 dimple design, along with a new staggered wave parting line and exclusive A.I.M. (Alignment Integrated Marking)™ sidestamp, the Pro V1x golf ball maintains long, consistent distance with softer feel and Drop-And-Stop™ control around the green.

 

• New, softer Urethane Elastomer cover - higher spin with irons for improved workability

 

• New, staggered wave parting line - enhanced ball flight

 

• New, higher coverage 332 dimple design - penetrating trajectory for longer, consistent distance

 

• New, A.I.M. (Alignment Integrated Marking) sidestamp - integrated alignment guide for improved putting alignment

 

• Longest driver distance

 

• Drop-And-Stop™ greenside control

 

• Increased short game spin

[sidewinder]

duff,

 

What you posted says nothing about how the V1 and V1x compare. The bullet items and the text you highlighted is in comparison to the previous V1x.....not the V1.

 

As ragu421 said, the V1 spins more than the V1x.....

 

Scott

[rclams]

<the V1 spins more than the V1x.....>

 

Not according to a recent golf mag article (someone help me out with the exact reference...):

 

The ProV1x has higher wedge spin (RPM) than the ProV1 (but less spin off of the driver, as I recall).

 

 

Also, Sidewinder, I think you are mistaken about the chipping performance of soft/spinny balls versus hard/distance balls. You have stated that they have the same launch angle.

 

Not true in my experience: a ProV1x comes off chips low with checking spin, while e.g., an HX Hot comes off higher/faster with little spin.

 

The reason is that at very low club speeds, the fancy multi-layer science gets simplified down to putting energy into either spin or launch angle/ball speed but not both. The cover softness makes a huge difference at low speeds.

 

I play spinny balls because it allows me to use a firm chipping motion (with less need for "touch/finesse") and puts the ball out low and on-line.

 

A ball that chips high & hot sometimes bounces a little left or right on landing and is less predictable for me both in line & distance.

 

YMMV

 

RCLams

[brycerudd]

In my experiance the Pro V1 is softer than the X. I can really feel the difference in putting.

[rclams]

<In my experiance the Pro V1 is softer than the X. I can really feel the difference in putting.>

 

I agree with this "feel". ProV1 has a soft feel around/on the greens.

 

But the tests show that the ProV1x spins more than the ProV1 for full wedge shots while the ProV1 has more spin off of the driver & irons.

 

Has to do with the cover/mantle/core differences of the ProV1 and ProV1x.

 

Rocket science in other words. :)

[hometeamdawg]

My driver speed is mid 90's.

 

For me, the Pro V1 feels softer. The Pro V1 flights higher. And it spins more on full wedges. The Pro V1 seems to be a little more durable as well. YMMV....

[JeffreySpicoli]

<the V1 spins more than the V1x.....>

 

Not according to a recent golf mag article (someone help me out with the exact reference...):

 

The ProV1x has higher wedge spin (RPM) than the ProV1 (but less spin off of the driver, as I recall).

 

<snip>

 

I'd posted the following on another thread. From the February 2008 issue of Golf Magazine.

 

Here's the info that you requested, gumpy.

 

SW test: "GolfLabs preset its robot to swing a sand wedge at 76 mph swing speed, 80 mph ball speed, 38.5 degree launch angle, and 10,500 rpm."

 

Some of the results . . .

 

Titleist Pro V1x 12,299

Bridgestone e5+ 12,140

TaylorMade TP Black 12,062

Titleist Pro V1 11,914

TaylorMade TP Red 11,872

TaylorMade Burner TP 10,894

Titleist NXT Tour 10,612

Top-Flite Gamer 10,087

 

All of the above were in the "High-Spin Balls" category.

 

For reference, here are the highest & lowest in each of the three categories:

 

High-Spin Balls: Nike One Platinum 13,451 and Callaway Tour ix 9,990

Medium-Spin Balls: Wilson Staff Fifty 9,546 and Noodle+ Lady 7,453

Low-Spin Balls: Nike Juice 312 7,192 and Pinnacle Gold FX Soft 5,154

[duff]

duff,

 

What you posted says nothing about how the V1 and V1x compare. The bullet items and the text you highlighted is in comparison to the previous V1x.....not the V1.

 

As ragu421 said, the V1 spins more than the V1x.....

 

Scott

 

sidewinder, what you posted says nothing about how the V1 and V1X compares. The information I posted is not a comparison to previous V1 and V1X.

 

What are you smoking?

 

I believe your response was rather rude and obviously without research.

[BRaway1]

Damit! Now I really can't decide what ball to play! :russian_roulette:

[cristphoto]

This data from the recent Golf Magazine ball test:

 

ProV1X spins more on driver, 8 iron and sand wedge than ProV1.

ProV1X is 1 yard longer with driver than ProV1 at 90mph swing speed.

ProV1X is 2 yards longer with driver than Prov1 at 105mph swing speed.

ProV1 is 1 yard longer with 8 iron than ProV1X.

ProV1X is .4 yard longer with sand wedge than ProV1.

ProV1 compression is 93. ProV1X compression is 103.

ProV1 cover is softer than ProV1X.

 

I believe some of these facts have changed for the newest models. From my experience the previous ProV1's spun more than the X's. Titleist must have changed this for the new models.

[utopiapga]

Laymen terms here..........

 

If you want a soft feel ball that will spin back 20 feet on the green with a full wedge shot play the ProV1......

 

If you want a harder feeling ball that will hit, check and slightly spin back then ProV1X is your ball..........

 

Whetehr or not the ProV1 or ProV1X spins more or less the bottom line is the ProV1 is much softer and spins a heck of alot more on the greens for full wedges and around the greens. They came out with the ProV1X for the higher caliber players who do not want the ball to spin back 30 feet on the greens. Yeah looks cool and everybody wants to do it but impossible to be accurate with your yardages that way.

[ej002]

This is funny because I just found a V1x and today and I put it in a side by side test. The V1x felt very very hard compared to the V1. Off the tee, distance was basically identical with the V1x being a little lower less spinny and the V1 getting more carry. Couldnt tell any difference off the irons except feel. But the V1 was much better on chips around the green. Really soft and bit, where the V1x felt like an old pinnacle and just wanted to run out. The V1 was much softer off the putter as well, v1x was clicky. This is JMOP and there is no science behind it, after playing a "soft" ball, I couldn't stand the v1x anymore so I threw it in a lake so I wouldnt continue to mess up chips. A lot of people love the v1x though, just not for me.

[mac94]

The X is much longer off the tee for me. And I notice very little difference in my shots around the green. I like the X.

[Golo07]

I'm 13 and have a 80 MPH swing speed. Which one will go further and which will spin more?

[Marrrk]

it's amazing how this has become such a divisive issue. even titleist's advertising for the balls blurs the lines. so is the jury still out on which is straighter off the tee? all ive ever known since they were released is that the X is for higher swing speeds and has less spin off the tee, for that very reason. sounds like they've adjusted that recently, though. forreal?

[darnoldil]

Marrrk-

 

The reason why this is a touchy subject (at least in part) is due to the fact that people will take their personal experience(s) as truth over more objective, controlled testing, even when the testing is based upon samples (number of experiences) that are more numerous than a person would ever hope to attain in their lifetime.

 

It doesn't help that Titlelist has changed the formulas/compositions of these two balls multiple times so that both sides are accurate depending upon what year ball they are sighting. The Golf Magazine test was for the new balls with the staggered wave seam and indeed Titleist changed the 1X so that it would be softer than it was before but also spin more than the V1. The current 1x is still harder than the current V1 but not by as much as it was in the past and it now spins more than the V1.

 

The science shows that distance from the golf swing has a number of variables that can skew data, especially for humans versus the precision of an iron Byron. Variables such as club head design, shaft, swing plane type, swing technique, swing speed, humidity, altitude, temperature, wind, and the players given body mechanics for that moment (see how far you hit it when you compare your first 2 drives with your last drive on the 18th if you don't drink or eat anything in between, or you are highly stressed that day), these are all variables that play a role in how well a particular golf ball works for you.

 

As a result of all of the variables your best, most awesome ball of today could be your has been ball next month. Add into all of this the fact that when we buy balls we may not always get the latest generation of the line, guys/gals could be playing 06 1X's and comparing them to 04 or 07 V1's and not even realize it because that's what their store had in inventory (yes this is an exaggeration to show the concept, LOL).

 

So the answer to your question starts with comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges, if you want to know what the current 1X does against the current V1 then look to the Golf Magazine article spec's that different golfers have graciously posted here. If you start comparing an 06 or 04 1X against a current or non-comparable year V1 then you will only be able to do so if an independent testing facility like the one that Golf Magazine used for their article conducts a test using the same clubs within a similar range of weather characteristics as was done in the Golf Magazine article. If you don't do this than you risk type 1 internal validity errors if you try to correlate a separate test with Golf Magazine's tests, of course the data could still be valid but correlations with that particular magazines test results could be questioned.

 

In general the older versions of the 1X spun less and were much harder than the V1 but they tended to give some noticeable amount more driver distance and still had some checking power on the greens as many have commented already. Hope this helps.

[alexly]

I'm 13 and have a 80 MPH swing speed. Which one will go further and which will spin more?

 

 

go for the prov1

[Marrrk]

Marrrk-

 

The reason why this is a touchy subject (at least in part) is due to the fact that people will take their personal experience(s) as truth over more objective, controlled testing, even when the testing is based upon samples (number of experiences) that are more numerous than a person would ever hope to attain in their lifetime.

 

It doesn't help that Titlelist has changed the formulas/compositions of these two balls multiple times so that both sides are accurate depending upon what year ball they are sighting. The Golf Magazine test was for the new balls with the staggered wave seam and indeed Titleist changed the 1X so that it would be softer than it was before but also spin more than the V1. The current 1x is still harder than the current V1 but not by as much as it was in the past and it now spins more than the V1.

 

The science shows that distance from the golf swing has a number of variables that can skew data, especially for humans versus the precision of an iron Byron. Variables such as club head design, shaft, swing plane type, swing technique, swing speed, humidity, altitude, temperature, wind, and the players given body mechanics for that moment (see how far you hit it when you compare your first 2 drives with your last drive on the 18th if you don't drink or eat anything in between, or you are highly stressed that day), these are all variables that play a role in how well a particular golf ball works for you.

 

As a result of all of the variables your best, most awesome ball of today could be your has been ball next month. Add into all of this the fact that when we buy balls we may not always get the latest generation of the line, guys/gals could be playing 06 1X's and comparing them to 04 or 07 V1's and not even realize it because that's what their store had in inventory (yes this is an exaggeration to show the concept, LOL).

 

So the answer to your question starts with comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges, if you want to know what the current 1X does against the current V1 then look to the Golf Magazine article spec's that different golfers have graciously posted here. If you start comparing an 06 or 04 1X against a current or non-comparable year V1 then you will only be able to do so if an independent testing facility like the one that Golf Magazine used for their article conducts a test using the same clubs within a similar range of weather characteristics as was done in the Golf Magazine article. If you don't do this than you risk type 1 internal validity errors if you try to correlate a separate test with Golf Magazine's tests, of course the data could still be valid but correlations with that particular magazines test results could be questioned.

 

In general the older versions of the 1X spun less and were much harder than the V1 but they tended to give some noticeable amount more driver distance and still had some checking power on the greens as many have commented already. Hope this helps.

 

thanks, that was incredible actually. but from the golf magazine tests it seems to indicate that the v1X now has more spin off the tee than the v1. if that's true I will have a whole new excuse for my poor driving of late.

[finalist]

is this correct:

 

Prov1 has a thicker cover than the Prov1X.

 

Prov1 has a softer core than the Prov1X.

 

Prov1 will spin more on full shots-driver, long irons, full irons etc. Prov1X spins more with chips and pitches.

 

Prov1 will check less on chips than the Prov1X because the Prov1 has a thicker cover.

 

Prov1 feels softer because of the softer core not because of the cover design.

 

 

IMO ProV1s last a touch longer because of the thicker cover.

 

I always thought the Prov1 was designed to spin more around the green, but I think I'm wrong. It spins more with full shots for shaping and chips roll out straighter because it doesn't spin as much as the ProvX.

The Prov1X spins less on full shots for straighter flight, but it spins more around the green for better checking.

 

Is all the info above correct? Thanks!

[ej002]

is this correct:

 

Prov1 has a thicker cover than the Prov1X.

 

Prov1 has a softer core than the Prov1X.

 

Prov1 will spin more on full shots-driver, long irons, full irons etc. Prov1X spins more with chips and pitches.

 

Prov1 will check less on chips than the Prov1X because the Prov1 has a thicker cover.

 

Prov1 feels softer because of the softer core not because of the cover design.

 

 

IMO ProV1s last a touch longer because of the thicker cover.

 

I always thought the Prov1 was designed to spin more around the green, but I think I'm wrong. It spins more with full shots for shaping and chips roll out straighter because it doesn't spin as much as the ProvX.

The Prov1X spins less on full shots for straighter flight, but it spins more around the green for better checking.

 

Is all the info above correct? Thanks!

 

 

I think this is right except in my opinion the v1 is the checkiest ball around the green that I have ever played (i never played nike platnum). But I think the v1x is a rock around the greens, otherwise, they are very similar.

[sidewinder]

I played a round of golf last weekend using the Pro V1 on the front nine and the Pro V1x on the back nine. The Pro V1x was longer and straighter off the driver, fairway woods, hybrids, and irons. The Pro V1x had less spin on full and less than full swings with irons and wedges. On pitches and chips, the Pro V1x ran out more than the Pro V1. This is consistent with what other people I play with see between these two balls.

 

The Pro V1 feels awesome off the putter. The Pro V1x is a noticeably harder feeling off irons, wedges, and the putter.

 

S-