side saddle putters - what putter are you using?

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  • ScratchyDawgScratchyDawg Members  376WRX Points: 103Posts: 376 Greens
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    Ripper212 wrote:

    BigEx44 wrote:



    I'm 3 months into my sidesaddle adventure, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. I just wanted to share some issues that have come up along the way.
    • Long putts: I'm still a complete mess on 30+ foot putts...topping the ball, way off center hits, thus no distance control. So I think I might stick to a conventional stroke on longer putts, unless anyone is very successful on long putts and has some tips.
    • Soreness: I can't practice for long periods of time because my right hamstring gets tight from basically keeping all my weight on that leg. Does anyone else experience this?


    On a good note, I feel like I can legitimately make anything inside of 10 feet. I actually love downhill putts now. And putting from the fringe, while straddling the line, should be illegal (not really), but it's so awesome.




    Something you might take a look at on the longer putts. I found that for myself, I like to have the ball further forward for my short and intermediate putts - but using that same ball position on longer putts had me topping the ball sometimes. So now on those really long putts, I move the ball closer to my feet/body. Made a huge difference in my long lag putts. How much closer you bring the ball comes from trial and error....




    On longer putts I use the LFI arm lock style rather than SS. Bobby Grace said he actually designed the putter to be used either way. Have you ever tried this?




    Do you mean that you use the same putter for SS and arm lock? I'm using the F22 with the kicka** shaft, but using it like an arm lock severely de-lofts it.
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    Ripper212 wrote:

    BigEx44 wrote:



    I'm 3 months into my sidesaddle adventure, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. I just wanted to share some issues that have come up along the way.
    • Long putts: I'm still a complete mess on 30+ foot putts...topping the ball, way off center hits, thus no distance control. So I think I might stick to a conventional stroke on longer putts, unless anyone is very successful on long putts and has some tips.
    • Soreness: I can't practice for long periods of time because my right hamstring gets tight from basically keeping all my weight on that leg. Does anyone else experience this?


    On a good note, I feel like I can legitimately make anything inside of 10 feet. I actually love downhill putts now. And putting from the fringe, while straddling the line, should be illegal (not really), but it's so awesome.




    Something you might take a look at on the longer putts. I found that for myself, I like to have the ball further forward for my short and intermediate putts - but using that same ball position on longer putts had me topping the ball sometimes. So now on those really long putts, I move the ball closer to my feet/body. Made a huge difference in my long lag putts. How much closer you bring the ball comes from trial and error....




    On longer putts I use the LFI arm lock style rather than SS. Bobby Grace said he actually designed the putter to be used either way. Have you ever tried this?




    No I haven't. But my lag putting with SS has gotten really good - so I haven't been tempted by another putting style when looking at long putts.
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    Ripper212 wrote:

    BigEx44 wrote:



    I'm 3 months into my sidesaddle adventure, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. I just wanted to share some issues that have come up along the way.
    • Long putts: I'm still a complete mess on 30+ foot putts...topping the ball, way off center hits, thus no distance control. So I think I might stick to a conventional stroke on longer putts, unless anyone is very successful on long putts and has some tips.
    • Soreness: I can't practice for long periods of time because my right hamstring gets tight from basically keeping all my weight on that leg. Does anyone else experience this?


    On a good note, I feel like I can legitimately make anything inside of 10 feet. I actually love downhill putts now. And putting from the fringe, while straddling the line, should be illegal (not really), but it's so awesome.




    Something you might take a look at on the longer putts. I found that for myself, I like to have the ball further forward for my short and intermediate putts - but using that same ball position on longer putts had me topping the ball sometimes. So now on those really long putts, I move the ball closer to my feet/body. Made a huge difference in my long lag putts. How much closer you bring the ball comes from trial and error....




    On longer putts I use the LFI arm lock style rather than SS. Bobby Grace said he actually designed the putter to be used either way. Have you ever tried this?




    Do you mean that you use the same putter for SS and arm lock? I'm using the F22 with the kicka** shaft, but using it like an arm lock severely de-lofts it.




    Yes. Don’t know about the F22 but the LFI has that shaft and works fine arm lock style
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  • BigEx44BigEx44 Members  354WRX Points: 96Handicap: 9.2Posts: 354 Greens
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    It was interesting over this last weekend.

    I like to do a 3 day golf school every Jan or Feb in order to get away from the snow of Upstate NY.

    I usually pick different schools and/or instructors every year because I enjoy the variety and seeing what the different coaches offer.

    This year I went to see Kirk Junge down in West Palm Beach.

    He teaches a swing similar to Bryson Dechambeau

    https://www.youtube....h?v=AKLcOM4Lve4

    (It was an excellent school btw - I saw a real improvement in my ball striking...)

    Anyways, when it came to putting - Kirk was fascinated with my Sidesaddle putting stroke.

    So I gave him a quick 10 minute lesson and demo.

    Then it turns out through our conversation that he knows Juan Elizonda, creator of the Juan Putter.

    Kirk used to work with Juan in selling the Speed Stik (which Juan also created).

    Then I got this email from Kirk after the school was over:
    [background=transparent]"I contacted Juan about the putter. If I can perfect the stroke I may market the concept as well. Thank you for your introduction to the concept. [/background]

    [background=transparent]I told Juan that you gave me a demo and told me about him."[/background]


    [background=transparent]Cool! [/background]
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  • The CougThe Coug Members  214WRX Points: 55Posts: 214 Fairways
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    I have skimmed this thread and this subject has been touched on briefly, but has anyone found that having the opposite stance (left foot forward for the right handed putter) having a positive impact on the stroke? I am noticing the following:



    1) the right hip is out of the way, allowing the putter head to swing more freely. Much harder for hand to hit the hip. And putter to hit the lead foot.



    2) I am experiencing less back pain due to less torquing to get my eyes over the ball. The strain is more concentrated in my core, which seems to be more tolerable.



    The hang-up for me is that it seems to blur the line for “straddling” as the putter could potentially swing inside the body if you have your feet far apart on either axis.
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    The Coug wrote:


    I have skimmed this thread and this subject has been touched on briefly, but has anyone found that having the opposite stance (left foot forward for the right handed putter) having a positive impact on the stroke? I am noticing the following:



    1) the right hip is out of the way, allowing the putter head to swing more freely. Much harder for hand to hit the hip. And putter to hit the lead foot.



    2) I am experiencing less back pain due to less torquing to get my eyes over the ball. The strain is more concentrated in my core, which seems to be more tolerable.



    The hang-up for me is that it seems to blur the line for “straddling” as the putter could potentially swing inside the body if you have your feet far apart on either axis.




    Wait that isn't how everybody does it?



    My left foot is forward my right foot is back with my Right big toe touching my left medial heel. I never even imagined putting my Right foot forward.



    No chance of straddling like this imo.
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    The photo below appears to be the accepted method.



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    ^^ thats pretty much exactly how I do it. But my putter is longer, so I'm more upright.
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    The Coug wrote:


    The photo below appears to be the accepted method.







    I do the exact opposite of that picture from a stance perspective with a 48" putter. I just switched one day never really watched anybody doing this. It never occurred to me to try that way. Not switching now since I putt lights out the way that seemed natural to me.
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    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    I posted about this awhile ago on the thread but got mostly negative replies. Left foot forward is the Australian stance and I've enclosed a link.

    Seems to me it's mostly a question of balance. How do you stand if you snowboard or surf? - not that many of us do that anymore!

    I'm now more comfortable standing with feet parallel just to left as do 2 of my friends who also putt SS. Balance is important.



    https://wonderputter.com/
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  • J-TizzleJ-Tizzle Hello Members  3485WRX Points: 199Posts: 3,485 Titanium Tees
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    As side saddlers, I think we can all agree, we're a bit unorthodox, so I'd say just do which ever way you putt best!



    I've tried several variations and approachs, grips, set ups, putters, etc. I've found what works best for me right now (and once it stops working, i'll change something!).
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    The Coug wrote:


    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    From what I can tell since I started in this thread. The majority of people are either using a Bobby Grace (F22 or LFI) or the Juan Putt. I'm sure there are others, but I think those are the big 2 most commercially available side saddle putters.
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    The Coug wrote:


    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    WHen I first started I did hit my R foot a few times during long backswings...It hasn't happened in a very long time. With R foot forward I feel like I would hit my R hip with my bottom hand on the take away though. Either way Just do what works for you...nobody starts out SS we all got here though!
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  • Ripper212Ripper212 Members  577WRX Points: 84Posts: 577 Golden Tee
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    J-Tizzle wrote:

    The Coug wrote:


    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    From what I can tell since I started in this thread. The majority of people are either using a Bobby Grace (F22 or LFI) or the Juan Putt. I'm sure there are others, but I think those are the big 2 most commercially available side saddle putters.




    I use the LFI but think it's a little short at 41". Would really like to try the GP. My friend loves his but I couldn't try it cause he's lefty!
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    Ripper212 wrote:


    I posted about this awhile ago on the thread but got mostly negative replies. Left foot forward is the Australian stance and I've enclosed a link.

    Seems to me it's mostly a question of balance. How do you stand if you snowboard or surf? - not that many of us do that anymore!

    I'm now more comfortable standing with feet parallel just to left as do 2 of my friends who also putt SS. Balance is important.



    https://wonderputter.com/




    I'm ok with the setup if that's what works for someone.

    However, in the picture posted - it looks like his right foot is on the target line - which would make the stroke illegal.
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    Even though I'm not an official member of SS club but I've been messing around trying to find the most comfortable stance. I could see either foot up front would work. I've been putting around the house to work on my confidence before doing SS on the course. Right now, I'm doing my version of unanchored long putting stroke with open stance.



    I'm using LFI putter that I bought from J-Tizzle last summer, one of better putters that I've used. Last week, I finally got around removing the 2" extension that he had told me. It now feel more comfortable doing SS stance. He is about 3-4 inches taller than I am and I can see why a comfortable length can be important doing the SS stroke.
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  • BigEx44BigEx44 Members  354WRX Points: 96Handicap: 9.2Posts: 354 Greens
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    The Coug wrote:


    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    I think it's just a matter of what's most comfortable, and works for someone. Either foot forward is ok as long as you're in balance and can deliver a good stoke. The only thing to worry about with the right foot back is like in the picture Ripper posted where it looks to me as if back right foot is on the target line.



    I personally have the right foot forward. Makes it easier for me to keep my weight on the right side ang get my head over the ball. I also set my right foot a little behind the ball and parallel to my target line. It then becomes my putting guide: there's no way I can pull my stroke inside or I'd hit my foot. It forces me to come straight back and straight through.



    My setup:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/63r4wre6hmy88pa/VID_20180614_201330493.mp4?dl=0
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    BigEx44 wrote:

    Ripper212 wrote:


    I posted about this awhile ago on the thread but got mostly negative replies. Left foot forward is the Australian stance and I've enclosed a link.

    Seems to me it's mostly a question of balance. How do you stand if you snowboard or surf? - not that many of us do that anymore!

    I'm now more comfortable standing with feet parallel just to left as do 2 of my friends who also putt SS. Balance is important.



    https://wonderputter.com/




    I'm ok with the setup if that's what works for someone.

    However, in the picture posted - it looks like his right foot is on the target line - which would make the stroke illegal.




    Certainly looks that way, but I think that camera angle is deceptive. You need to watch the videos - it's really just the mirror image of right foot forward. I'll sometimes do it that way but right now feel more comfortable with feet together. No chance of touching the line that way.

    Unfortunately it's 20* now in Mass so the only putting is in my playroom!
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    BigEx44 wrote:

    The Coug wrote:


    I am just starting down the SS path, but Rohlio’s way makes more logical sense to me. Easier to get eyes over the ball and easier to manipulate the lie closer to 90 degrees if the putter head it closer to center mass.



    Only hurdle would be longer backswings hitting the trailing foot. I figure on longer putts the top hand can just be a little more active to add power.



    If anyone wants to be brave and post a picture of their stance it would be greatly appreciated. Nice to get a roster of what putters are in play too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    I think it's just a matter of what's most comfortable, and works for someone. Either foot forward is ok as long as you're in balance and can deliver a good stoke. The only thing to worry about with the right foot back is like in the picture Ripper posted where it looks to me as if back right foot is on the target line.



    I personally have the right foot forward. Makes it easier for me to keep my weight on the right side ang get my head over the ball. I also set my right foot a little behind the ball and parallel to my target line. It then becomes my putting guide: there's no way I can pull my stroke inside or I'd hit my foot. It forces me to come straight back and straight through.



    My setup:

    https://www.dropbox....330493.mp4?dl=0




    I like that. Your feet are nearly parallel like mine - right foot not way forward. More in balance that way.
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    I tried “Aussie” stance today on the practice green. It was money on the short putts, but iffy on longer ones. Hitting the back foot definitely was in my head on those. I also felt like someone could make a case for straddling if not done right.
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    Here's a video of the one time PGA Pro Grant Waite sidesaddle putting:

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    I can’t seem to let this thread die...



    Has anyone tried counterbalancing? Prior to this experiment I have been using a GoLo mid S cut down to standard length with a DIY clevis pin counterbalance. My stroke has never been smoother.



    I am wondering if extra weight would be good for side saddle to slow the handle down? Some of the heavier putters (F22 or Juan Putt) could probably support that kind of counterbalance.
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    I tried the Counter balance with the first F22 I had (without the KA shaft). Couldn't really say whether it helped or it hurt. I certainly didn't putt very well with that putter...…...
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    The Coug wrote:


    I can’t seem to let this thread die...



    Has anyone tried counterbalancing? Prior to this experiment I have been using a GoLo mid S cut down to standard length with a DIY clevis pin counterbalance. My stroke has never been smoother.



    I am wondering if extra weight would be good for side saddle to slow the handle down? Some of the heavier putters (F22 or Juan Putt) could probably support that kind of counterbalance.




    I wouldn't really think the CB would help a side saddle much at all, given how I use it. That top hand for me hardly moves at all,I wouldn't think you'd even notice it with a side saddle.
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    The Coug wrote:


    I can’t seem to let this thread die...



    Has anyone tried counterbalancing? Prior to this experiment I have been using a GoLo mid S cut down to standard length with a DIY clevis pin counterbalance. My stroke has never been smoother.



    I am wondering if extra weight would be good for side saddle to slow the handle down? Some of the heavier putters (F22 or Juan Putt) could probably support that kind of counterbalance.




    I wouldn't really think the CB would help a side saddle much at all, given how I use it. That top hand for me hardly moves at all,I wouldn't think you'd even notice it with a side saddle.




    Yeah my top hand is almost completely motionless.. not sure counterbalance would matter at all.
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    My understanding was that counterbalancing was useful for those transitioning from an anchored stroke. Having the top hand and thumb on top of the grip does mitigate almost all sway. I had a really positive experience with adding weight (as have many given the popularity of CB) and figured it couldn’t hurt.



    Probably not for the directed force users, but some have complained about the heft of the Juan Putt. The F22 can be loaded up over 500g I believe. I personally have not found a putter that is too heavy for me, but then again, I have hands of stone.
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    The Coug wrote:


    My understanding was that counterbalancing was useful for those transitioning from an anchored stroke. Having the top hand and thumb on top of the grip does mitigate almost all sway. I had a really positive experience with adding weight (as have many given the popularity of CB) and figured it couldn’t hurt.



    Probably not for the directed force users, but some have complained about the heft of the Juan Putt. The F22 can be loaded up over 500g I believe. I personally have not found a putter that is too heavy for me, but then again, I have hands of stone.




    I agree that you can't make a putter too heavy for me... When I was still stupidly turning sideways to putt I had Mickey moused a heavy putter all the way up to 1kg total weight.
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    Shame that never made it to market. I am picturing a mountain of lead tape on that baby



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    The Coug wrote:


    Shame that never made it to market. I am picturing a mountain of lead tape on that baby







    My friends called it Mjolnir!



    Basically I epoxted lead weights to the counterweight under the grip and the shaft was nearly full of tungsten powder. The head was the boccieri golf heavy putter head with the heaviest weights in the ports (so it was 500 grams to start) and I drilled the back of the bumpers and filled them with tungsten slugs.



    It was awesome. I would probably still be using it if I wasn't so crazy bad at keeping a line while rotating my head from face on to standing sideways.
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    WITB:
    Driver: Ping G400 LST 8.5* Kuro Kage Silver TINI 70s
    FW: Ping G25 4 wood Kuro Kage Silver TINI 80s
    Utility: 20* King Forged Utility One Length C Taper Lite S
    Irons: King Forged One Length 4-PW C Taper Lite S
    Wedges: Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 Black Satin 50, 54, 58
    Putter: Custom Directed Force Reno 2.0 48" 80* Lie Side Saddle
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