Closest release to hogan?

[Timanator]

Who on tour has an action like Hogans? Here is Hogan with some sort of wood, DJ, Hunter, hyoJooKim, Hee Young park and Carlotta Ciganda.

[Pinsplitter59]

This poor little thread has been so ignored i feel sorry for it. let's give it a nudge.

A swing i love is Gary Woodland's. I think the most telling still image position is past impact where we see the holy grail of club going low and left.

Yes, he doesn't have the leg and hip action of Hogan but his swing path, his right hand set before impact and right hand release through the ball are very similar in my opinion, though overall not as "flat" as Hogan.

How do they do that?

I will use this thread to talk to myself and say out loud some things that would get me killed out there in the sycophants group-think forum.

1. "getting the club in front of you" as they say over there is the worst thing you could ever want to do.

2. Swinging your arms up and down in front of your body is the second worst thing you could ever want to do.

3. Pushing your arms away from your body as you turn is the 3rd worst thing you could ever do.

4. Getting to the top of your swing then doing something independant with your arms/hands immediately wrecks your swing motion.

5. And lots of other things they talk about over there, "tumbling", "dumping", "pulling the chain" etc. etc. are all bad moves but some trickery becomes neccessary if you have the club in front of you.

6. Trying to hit the ball by swinging your arms is a really bad idea.

 

In all the instruction i have read and watched over the years i now conclude and state that there is something absolutely fundamental being missed by all of them (all the ones i have seen and that's a lot).

And you see them talking about all manner of moves and manipulations and "sequencings" to try to make an imperfect thing work.

They do not answer the simplest most basic question, how do you move the club head?

Mr. Hogan, IMHO, wasn't clear enough on this either.

I am talking about a "turning" type of swing, not Abe Mitchell and all the lifters and droppers since then.

Its possible that Hogan, Snead, Peter Thompson, Woodland and others just did the right thing by luck or by nature and it seems so normal and natural to them that they don't bother mentioning it because they assume everyone must also do it.

When you look at Hogan's slow-motion "Coleman film" demonstration you can see exactly what he is doing can't you? I think the fact is, you can't. You can only interpret what you see in terms of your own experience, if he is doing something you personally have never experienced then you have no hope of understanding what he is really doing.

This is why anyone, and all instructors, get it wrong when they try to analyze or describe a golf swing like Hogan's or Sneads etc..

 

I said something to a young friend, an excellent ball striker, a while ago, it was kind of off-hand, but in retrospect very true, "getting the club back down is the hard part".

It always has been to me. And you see Justin Rose for example in his practice swing trying to get it back down, and dear old Tiger even trying the over-the-top move a while ago.

If the club is in front of you , you have no choice really but to lean back and throw, the leaning back (increasing secondary tilt as they call it) is a mechanical thing that does help to make your arms release/cross-over. Rickie Fowler was a good example of this until he has being trying to change it, i would say because its very flaky and uncontrollable.

 

When, in reality its very simple, i think if you asked Gary Woodland "do you find it difficult to get the club head back to the ball?" he would look at you like you're stupid and say "what do you mean? its just there".

 

hmmmmm... this could be my most embarrassing post ever and i've had a few!

Will i be cringing tomorrow and seraching for the delete button.

 

Thought for the day:

"if its hard to do, its wrong".

 

[AlexCzervic]

I agree with the experience portion. It is most obvious what Hogan is doing in the Coleman video, still burning the candle at both ends.

 

AC

[Millbrook]

But the arms don't cross over in the Hogan release.

[dbleag]

Jonathan Byrd.

[oscar@wrx]

I agree with the experience portion. It is most obvious what Hogan is doing in the Coleman video, still burning the candle at both ends.

 

AC

 

"Burning the candles at both ends"? He hardly hit balls when he retired, yeah? If ever he hit balls just around 1 bucket of balls, pick it up, then hit again. Then 1 round. I think he perfected it. Even when he didn't hit balls regularly, and when forced to hit (teaching Tschetter?), he hit it still perfectly. I guess he reall got it mechanics wise, meaning every aspect of his swing is intended, not timing based so much

[oscar@wrx]

But the arms don't cross over in the Hogan release.

And I think this is very true despite Hogan trying to to exhaust every ounce of power---rotation from hips and shoulders, arms, hands, right hand, all of it. Question is how did he do that??? If ever he really had a secret, it's definitely got to do with that.

 

Even on a draw swing his arms cross over very late

[mikpga]

Let's get beyond impact, say P7.5 to have a better look at similar "release" pattern...

[oscar@wrx]

Jonathan Byrd.

From hip to hip, and playing at a really high level, I'd say Jim Furyk from shaft parallel to parallel (release stage). But still not Hogan exactly. I think Hogan found a way to both pivot hard and hit it hard at same time. Who is like that now? Is there any?

 

Let's get beyond impact, say P7.5 to have a better look at similar "release" pattern...

Yes agree. Looking right now at slow mo swings DTL and I can't find any. You found any?

[mikpga]

I'd guess Jason Dufner, but need to do a little more looking...

[oscar@wrx]

I'd guess Jason Dufner, but need to do a little more looking...

He's got a strong grip, so I'd say no. He'll always be too closed past impact. Best candidates would be one who have a weak grip. Weak grip of Hogan and his ball positiin has got a lot to do with it, I believe. Then there's the massive layoff, which even opens the face more, then his hips transition, then his pivot

[oscar@wrx]

Any player out there who have a weak grip?

[dap]

You need to look no further than in Hogan's Heroes Swing Forum to find players with the same release as Hogan. We got it all figured out! Stuff the pros. If we could only chip and putt we'd be famous.

[oscar@wrx]

You need to look no further than in Hogan's Heroes Swing Forum to find players with the same release as Hogan. We got it all figured out! Stuff the pros. If we could only chip and putt we'd be famous.

How does Hogan release by the way? I think almost all know how his clubface looks on impact zone. But how does he do it? I'm specifically interested on a clip of a driver swing where his clubhead path is amazingly long and straight right after impact. Around 1-2 feet after impact. Very shallow too

[David C]

I don't know about shallow. He appears to take some pretty enormous divots in the Snead match on WWOG. Although who knows what lie or shot he was attempting eh? I guess there is so much that will always be purely unknown or debateable due to the quality of film available vs today.

[oscar@wrx]

I don't know about shallow. He appears to take some pretty enormous divots in the Snead match on WWOG. Although who knows what lie or shot he was attempting eh? I guess there is so much that will always be purely unknown or debateable due to the quality of film available vs today.

Referring to a certain clip

[oscar@wrx]

I don't know about shallow. He appears to take some pretty enormous divots in the Snead match on WWOG. Although who knows what lie or shot he was attempting eh? I guess there is so much that will always be purely unknown or debateable due to the quality of film available vs today.

Referring to a certain clip

It was a video clip of Hogan practicing a driver or wood. The 1955 Life Magazine pictures with an iron shows a really shallow and square face too around a feet after the ball

[Millbrook]

But the arms don't cross over in the Hogan release.

And I think this is very true despite Hogan trying to to exhaust every ounce of power---rotation from hips and shoulders, arms, hands, right hand, all of it. Question is how did he do that??? If ever he really had a secret, it's definitely got to do with that.

 

Even on a draw swing his arms cross over very late

 

Check out the thread in Instruction on Hardys book The Release. Hogan is a right hand throw rather than a left hand pull.

[moehogan]

But the arms don't cross over in the Hogan release.

And I think this is very true despite Hogan trying to to exhaust every ounce of power---rotation from hips and shoulders, arms, hands, right hand, all of it. Question is how did he do that??? If ever he really had a secret, it's definitely got to do with that.

 

Even on a draw swing his arms cross over very late

 

Check out the thread in Instruction on Hardys book The Release. Hogan is a right hand throw rather than a left hand pull.

 

From the top, it's a right hand pull, down and out, that turns into a push, through and back in ... all directed by the two middle fingers. In order to push, the right hand must try to hold some of it's CW winding so the hands don't swivel or crossover through impact. These opposing forces counterbalance one another and the result is both left and right are neutral through and well past impact.