A permanent home for the US Open?

[Shilgy]

> @dalehead said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > A permanent home to US Open? No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, On, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No!

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> I'll take that as a No.

 

Find the On.

[Shilgy]

> @buckeye440 said:

> > @gvogel said:

> > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > PB is overrated. Illustrious history, but overrated as a golf course.

> >

> > OK. How about of list of 5 courses that you prefer?

> Merion and Winged Foot pop right into mind. I like trees that actually need to be played around. I hate seeing what is equivalent to an alfalfa field (ahem Erin/Shinnecock Hills, Chambers Bay, Whistling Straits...) with a fairway and green in it. Might as well put the long drive guys out there.

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> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > The problem I have with the rotation argument, so different parts of the country can get it, does not hold in June. Most of the south, especially Texas, will never get a US Open again. And that was also the case with the PGA until this year.

> > >

> > > If you look at the majors as a group, we have made some very good tweaks. Moving the PGA to May appears at this point to be a great move. As a rotation major, it now is likely to be held at new venues in the south. Not only that, the timing in May gives it more clout. It’s no longer the last and letdown major. It could never compare to the other three, so moving it from last in the year gives it more interest. Then too this elevates The Open to its rightful place as the last and granddaddy of them all.

> > >

> > > So why not make some changes to give the US Open more interest? I think a permanent home might be the answer.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > If it's going to be a permanent location, I vote for Oakmont or Winged Foot. Those are the two hardest courses in the rotation of traditional U.S. Open venues.

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> Great courses along with Merion.

>

 

But I thought you liked trees. Oakmont??

[Shilgy]

> @Lagavulin62 said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> >

> > Steve Flesch has the exact opposite view today. Maybe Fox did a decent job of keeping it off the air, but this is from his twitter account:

> >

> > “ I never thought fan behavior at Pebble Beach in a US Open would raise an eyebrow, but today’s spectator environment has evolved into a yelling contest. Encouraging words are fine but disparaging and nonsensical ignorance have become all too common. Have fun but respect the game“

> >

> > > @Bingo1976 said:

> > > I don't know about Pebble, but hosting the Open on the West Coast seems to cut down on the obnoxiousness of the fans significantly. maybe move the US Open back to the East Coast when people learn how to behave like humans.

> >

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> It really is just the times and a reflection of the interest in golf. It’s all good in my opinion. The nightmare is if the Masters was the norm. Thankfully it never will be. Next years event will be fun. If I had the cash I would love to go back to NYC area for a visit. Westchester in the 80’s was loud and obnoxious relative to the day and imo it only added to the fun. The cliche shouts get old but overall people just need to chill. Because you can walk freely through the grounds golf is just set up for that type of atmosphere. The days of golf being contested in a library are over. Embrace it.

 

There is a massive difference between the type of noise most golf fans would appreciate and the self serving-or is that over served- obnoxious yelling you are seeming to endorse.

[Lagavulin62]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > @golfandfishing said:

> > >

> > > Steve Flesch has the exact opposite view today. Maybe Fox did a decent job of keeping it off the air, but this is from his twitter account:

> > >

> > > “ I never thought fan behavior at Pebble Beach in a US Open would raise an eyebrow, but today’s spectator environment has evolved into a yelling contest. Encouraging words are fine but disparaging and nonsensical ignorance have become all too common. Have fun but respect the game“

> > >

> > > > @Bingo1976 said:

> > > > I don't know about Pebble, but hosting the Open on the West Coast seems to cut down on the obnoxiousness of the fans significantly. maybe move the US Open back to the East Coast when people learn how to behave like humans.

> > >

> >

> > It really is just the times and a reflection of the interest in golf. It’s all good in my opinion. The nightmare is if the Masters was the norm. Thankfully it never will be. Next years event will be fun. If I had the cash I would love to go back to NYC area for a visit. Westchester in the 80’s was loud and obnoxious relative to the day and imo it only added to the fun. The cliche shouts get old but overall people just need to chill. Because you can walk freely through the grounds golf is just set up for that type of atmosphere. The days of golf being contested in a library are over. Embrace it.

>

> There is a massive difference between the type of noise most golf fans would appreciate and the self serving-or is that over served- obnoxious yelling you are seeming to endorse.

 

Really all I have to compare live is the Houston Open. I think 2014 was the last time I went.

[gvogel]

> @NoodleSalad said:

> The argument for Pebble isn't so much the course (which is nice) but the weather. Hot & humid isn't really ideal for a major. And everything East of Colorado is hot & humid in June. Now, if you had the U.S. Open in mid-September every now and then the East and Midwest would be superb. Yeah it would step on the Fedex Cup and so forth but I'm sure there's a workaround.

 

My recollection is that there have been some rather chilly US Opens in the Northeast.

US Open week in Buffalo, NY 2019 (close to Rochester): highs - Monday 78, Tuesday 70, Wednesday 80, Thursday 66, Friday 70, Saturday 72, Sunday 65.

New York: highs - Monday 71, Tuesday 77, Wednesday 73, Thursday 62, Friday 73, Saturday 75, Sunday 75.

 

Come to think of it, the weather last week in Cromwell CT was quite nice as well.

[irvnasty]

I don't like the idea, although I'd be thrilled if the Pro-Am was removed from the Tour schedule.

I do think that I could get on board with both the US Open and PGA going to a rotation system similar to the Open. I wouldn't mind a rotation of say:

Pebble, Oakmont, Pinehurst #2, Shinnecock, Winged Foot, Merion, Medinah, Oakland Hills, Inverness, Olympic Club, Quail Hollow, Chicago.

And a PGA rotation of: Bethpage, Kiawah Ocean, Valhalla, Baltusrol, Firestone, Hazeltine, Southern Hills, Congressional, Riviera, Atlanta, Pacific Dunes, Spyglass Hill.

 

Add or subtract as you like, and swap around for weather. I really didn't put too much thought into this. Just thinking that a rotation of 8-12 courses for each of those could cover a lot of the great courses in the US and would eventually lead to some familiarity with the courses. Over the decades, new courses could be added if they are constructed, or if some courses that haven't been able or haven't chosen to host in the past somehow became viable (I would love to see a major at National Golf Links, for instance).

[WidespreadPanic]

I love Pebble Beach US Opens but I wouldn’t like this. I wouldn’t mind if they narrowed the rotation though. Something like Pebble, Shinnecock, Pinehurst, Oakmont. I am really looking forward to LACC though.