Help! Hips coming off tush line in backswing

[PattyB1986]

I’ve always struggled with my pelvis tipping forward in the backswing and coming off the tush line - no matter what sort of swing I do - whether I go more around my body or more vertical, it happens. I’ve tried more anterior tilt, sitting more on my heels, increasing my spinal tilt at address and none of it works. It’s not an issue if I’m in rhythm but if I’m out of sorts it’s shank city. Does anyone have any suggestions? Here’s an example with a 7 iron - I come off the tush line a bit in the backswing but manage to keep to the same line from the top of the back swing until impact in this example but sometimes I early extend and it causes a shank because I’m come in at the ball on the wrong line. 
 

I’m a 22 handicapper by the way. Any help is much appreciated!

[milesgiles]

looks a good move and way better than a 22 cap..

 

very flat and a shut clubface though. Arms not synced up with body. 

[Valtiel]

You'll always find yourself tipping towards the ball when you swing your left hip out like that. All the things you tried that didn't work were likely a product of trying to add them on top of the problem instead actually addressing it. The fundamental that needs to be understood and ingrained is that your hips need to push backwards to create rotation, not swing forwards. Your right hip needs to push back away from the ball in the backswing and you need to RESIST letting your left hip come forward. Right now you're achieving pretty much all of your rotation by swinging your left hip forward and your right hip is pretty stationary. To your credit you do a far better than average job of reversing this in transition and end up with only a little depth loss at impact, but the initial movements are key to removing the need for this compensation. 

[PattyB1986]

Thanks for your replies!

 

I do find it easier to swing round my body because I find it easier to keep on plane so to speak. I tend to pull my wrists back with a neutral grip and minimise the amount of wrist c0ck which bows the wrists at the top with a strong looking face. I find this easier than a more traditional vertical swing. 
 

As for the hips - I think you’re spot on. I am fairly dominate with my left side during the swing so in order to get the club around and to the top I swing around with my left side and rotate my left hip joint. I tried to pull the right hip tonight at the range and keep the left side still but unfortunately the results were catastrophic - I could barely get the club to the top without coming out of posture and I started coming badly over the top  - which I rarely do. It felt like I wasn’t doing anything with my hips at all and doing everything with my upper body. Would it be better to do my usual swing and pull the right hip back more? 

[PattyB1986]

I’ve made a few changes with takeaway and wrist angles - which feels weird and as if club is being sucked behind me but is a lot more in sync and looks a lot more orthodox when I watch it back.

Is this an improvement? I haven’t had the shanks just yet and seem to have a more stable lower body!

 

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by PattyB1986

[Valtiel]

On 5/22/2022 at 12:50 PM, PattyB1986 said:

I’ve made a few changes with takeaway and wrist angles - which feels weird and as if club is being sucked behind me but is a lot more in sync and looks a lot more orthodox when I watch it back.

Is this an improvement? I haven’t had the shanks just yet and seem to have a more stable lower body!

 

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I'd say the lower body looks better, less left hip swinging out in front of you. Not a fan of the takeaway though, nothing about this change is helpful to what you need to do which is related to where the club is going in transition.



We can see related to both your alignment and where the ball ends up going in the actual video (center cone target) that you're sucking the club way inside here as though you're intending to hit it towards those right cone targets. Your original takeaway was fine.



This is the little moment to focus on here. It's subtle, but everything that is starting to kickoff here with your hands/arms needs to be reversed. You're pushing the club slightly towards your head, your left wrist is cupping slightly (extension), and your right wrist is slightly flattening (flexion). All the little feels you want at this stage are the opposite of this. You want to feel your left wrist staying flat, or even slightly flexing, and you want to feel your right wrist folding back slightly (extension). If you did all those little moves it would get the club moving fractionally AWAY from your head, like this...



...because one of the goals in transition is to get down to the plane line you established at address which requires a certain amount of dropping/shallowing. Otherwise you come down too steep, like this:



Which forces you to shallow late using your body (losing posture/spine angle) and your hands (raising the handle).

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Valtiel

[Red4282]

This is a problem I struggled with for a long time until I finally figured out its a posture issue. @Valtiel is right in his analysis but Ill add the reasons why you do what you do is simply a rebalancing act. You start out with your hips outside your heels. Your body naturally wants to suck them in to find the right balance. Try getting the hips over the balls of the feet, or at least the back of the heel. You will find yourself suddenly creating that depth on the backswing with ease. Heres some pics for reference: