Critique my swing

[Easee]

Appreciate any comments. 

 

My impact feels a bit lack of hip clearance

[Hilts1969]

Standing up thru impact to square the face

[glk]

Shallow on bs cause roll forearms so steep down with stall/flip

[jholz]

I'll concur with the initial assessments. Not a bad looking swing overall.

 

But, taking the club too far inside in the backswing or "shallow" as @glkstates.

 

That inside takeaway is leading to the compensations that both @glk and @Hilts1969 are pointing at.

 

The more outside takeaway may feel funny at first - seems like it's setting you up for a massive slice - but it actually puts you into position to shallow the club and come from the inside - thus eliminating the EE and other compensations.

 

Not an easy journey to go on, but really the best and most reliable way to achieve a better swing.

[dvq9654]

I really question whether that's "rolling the hands" inside. Even if it is a bit, I would be skeptical that's what's driving the other reactions in the swing. The reason I say this is look at where the arms / hands are at arms parallel to ground in the backswing - they are right where they are supposed to be - directly in front of the chest. Club face is also pretty square at the top. I would be scared to recommend changing the takeaway as a solution to the EE. 

 

Instead - look a your right and left hips. Your right hip does not move back or up at all. Rather, your left hip moves towards the ball. As a result, you have no room to operate, so you can't rotate at all on the downswing. 

 

My suggestion would be to keep your arm swing as it is and focus on getting your right hip back and up. From there, you can then swing freely down, get your arms in front of your body and rotate to finish. With that, I bet you'd have a pretty good looking and effective swing. 

 

 

[glk]

6 minutes ago, dvq9654 said:

I really question whether that's "rolling the hands" inside. Even if it is a bit, I would be skeptical that's what's driving the other reactions in the swing. The reason I say this is look at where the arms / hands are at arms parallel to ground in the backswing - they are right where they are supposed to be - directly in front of the chest. Club face is also pretty square at the top. I would be scared to recommend changing the takeaway as a solution to the EE. 

 

Instead - look a your right and left hips. Your right hip does not move back or up at all. Rather, your left hip moves towards the ball. As a result, you have no room to operate, so you can't rotate at all on the downswing. 

 

My suggestion would be to keep your arm swing as it is and focus on getting your right hip back and up. From there, you can then swing freely down, get your arms in front of your body and rotate to finish. With that, I bet you'd have a pretty good looking and effective swing. 

 

 

He gets the club pointed well outside the ball between p2 and p3. Certainly have seen worse.  But get arms shallowed earlier then rotate makes it a natural reaction to steepen them in transition - again  seen worse on getting steep.   Question is does he have any rom left to further shallow the arms and work against momentum.

Edited July 15, 2022 by glk

[dvq9654]

1 minute ago, glk said:

He gets the club pointed well outside the ball between p2 and p3

 

So? I'd argue that's because of how he sets his wrists, not from the way his arms are moving. 

 

He will make far greater strides getting his right hip back than changing his arm swing. He could have a perfect arm swing but with that hip movement he has zero chance of ever making a good downswing.  

[glk]

1 minute ago, dvq9654 said:

 

So? I'd argue that's because of how he sets his wrists, not from the way his arms are moving. 

 

He will make far greater strides getting his right hip back than changing his arm swing. He could have a perfect arm swing but with that hip movement he has zero chance of ever making a good downswing.  

And setting his wrist is due to his is forearms being toorotated.

Edited July 15, 2022 by glk

[CSagan]

Yeah I agree above, I don't see a problem with inside takeaway...its not really that far inside. Same as I've been forever...used to chase the outside takeaway...lots of wasted time.

 

I feel like he needs some more structure (width) in arms and a little more depth...they kinda get lazy and get out of sync with a little over the top action.

 

My prescription would be below with arms coming in a hair coming back...would have him feel a hair in to out on downswing.

 

 

 

[jholz]

This is certainly a funny one.

 

I agree with both sides here. The inside takeaway isn't that pronounced. But I look at downswing positions into impact and I'm seeing this:

 

That shoulder hump and tush line screams EE to me. EE comes from troubles in the backswing. So, there has to be something going on here.

 

For my money, it's a swing that's too far in the hands, wrists, and forearms - and not enough shoulder.

 

If dude kept his arms static and made the turn with his shoulders, I think he'd be in a much better position to shallow the club and eliminate that EE.

 

Again, just one man's (admittedly) amateur opinion.

[dvq9654]

6 minutes ago, jholz said:

This is certainly a funny one.

 

I agree with both sides here. The inside takeaway isn't that pronounced. But I look at downswing positions into impact and I'm seeing this:

 

That shoulder hump and tush line screams EE to me. EE comes from troubles in the backswing. So, there has to be something going on here.

 

For my money, it's a swing that's too far in the hands, wrists, and forearms - and not enough shoulder.

 

If dude kept his arms static and made the turn with his shoulders, I think he'd be in a much better position to shallow the club and eliminate that EE.

 

Again, just one man's (admittedly) amateur opinion.

 

I agree EE comes from something before the EE. I think it's the hip movement. 

 

Look at setup, then zoom forward to the top of his backswing. His right hip has actually moved TOWARD the ball. The right hip should move back away from the ball. From the top his right hip moves even more into the ball which creates zero room to operate. 

 

We can quibble about the takeaway and it may contribute somewhat, but the hip movement is 100% an issue so will be easier to tackle that low hanging fruit than chase a perfect takeaway when the current version is likely plenty functional. 

[MonteScheinblum]

The club head needs to work away from the ball first, not toward it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgC4DBYjxTV/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Edited July 15, 2022 by MonteScheinblum

[Chunkitgood]

I appreciate it when people post swings and hope to myself one day to be duly excoriated.

 

In the meantime, I take the liberty of suggesting that the OP look at his AMG video and consider externally rotating his right shoulder in the downswing per this Cogorno video.   I personally believe that the external rotation should happen as a result of body movement, but it may well have to be learned.

 

 

 

 

 

[Valtiel]

15 hours ago, CSagan said:

Yeah I agree above, I don't see a problem with inside takeaway...its not really that far inside.

 

 

15 hours ago, jholz said:

I agree with both sides here. The inside takeaway isn't that pronounced. But I look at downswing positions into impact and I'm seeing this:
 

That shoulder hump and tush line screams EE to me. EE comes from troubles in the backswing. So, there has to be something going on here.

Agreed. This is just classic left hip out -> right hip out incorrect rotation causing depth loss leading to posture loss and early extension:



Your backswing is all left hip movement with no right hip depth:



And your downswing is the opposite; mostly right hip movement and little left hip depth (turning back).



No amount of hand or arm manipulation with regards to swing plane will change the fact that your right leg is physically occupying the space your hands need to return to.

Lots of great lines on the rest of your swing though! Check the Adam Scott gifs (paying attention to the hips and the red line) for the right visual, and check the AMG hip rotation video @Chunkitgood posted above for the breakdown (you're doing exactly what the "Am" in their video is doing).

Edited July 16, 2022 by Valtiel

[Easee]

Thanks for all replies. Really helpful actually. New video from this year if anyone has any comments.