The pulling putts saga continues

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

2 hours ago, Zitlow said:

 

The OP has an arm stroke and doesn't load and unload (release) the putter head very well. He probably has the same tendencies in his golf swing.  

 

Appreciate the response. I do struggle these tendencies in the full swing! So how would I feel the load and unload of the putter head without it being all arms?

[RoyalTroon]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

 

 

Compared to a Casper, Nelson, Burke Jr.,  Locke, and so many others,  Nicklaus might be called a dragger...🤣

[getitdaily]

59 minutes ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Appreciate the response. I do struggle these tendencies in the full swing! So how would I feel the load and unload of the putter head without it being all arms?

You have to get more of the hands and wrists involved to putt like zitlow is suggesting. 

 

It's pretty well documented that using less hands is the more consistent way to achieve a better stroke.

 

Zitlow's method isn't necessarily wrong, but it's not the better way to consistently deliver the face.

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

12 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

You have to get more of the hands and wrists involved to putt like zitlow is suggesting. 

 

It's pretty well documented that using less hands is the more consistent way to achieve a better stroke.

 

Zitlow's method isn't necessarily wrong, but it's not the better way to consistently deliver the face.

Would feeling like the butt end of the putter pointing at my belly button at full times is a good feel?

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

Just now, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Would feeling like the butt end of the putter pointing at my belly button at full times is a good feel?

*all times

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Would feeling like the butt end of the putter pointing at my belly button at full times is a good feel?

It can be. Ultimately, it's about what will deliver the face consistently. The thought of the butt pointing to your belly button can lead to an overactive right hand and early release. 

 

You want the hands to be very slightly ahead of the ball at impact. Worrying about where the butt is pointed is minutiae. Focus on bigger movements. The most consistent strokes are generated by control of the stroke somewhere between the shoulder blades and the forearms. The lead wrist should generally be locked, not releasing. 

 

Find videos of tiger's stroke. He was a release putter but his motion was still arms. Releasing the putter is more about letting the toe overtake the heel through impact... Not using the hands and wrists as levers...

[RoyalTroon]

27 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

It's pretty well documented that using less hands is the more consistent way to achieve a better stroke.

 

By those whose touch is akin to a manhole cover.  

[iacas]

2 hours ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Would feeling like the butt end of the putter pointing at my belly button at full times is a good feel?

 

Feel ain't real, so maybe that's a feel that would help, but generally… that would be a very "wristy" stroke.

[Zitlow]

4 hours ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Appreciate the response. I do struggle these tendencies in the full swing! So how would I feel the load and unload of the putter head without it being all arms?

 

For me I set up on my left side about 60/40 or 55/45 and use a dorsal flexion of my right hand to get the putter head started and my arm swings the putter back like I'm going to toss a ball. I feel a little movement in my body which just goes with the flow.  

 

The putter head wants to swing down on it's on volition but I help it a little bit if it's a longer putt. The key is to let my right wrist unfold through the ball. The ball gets a nice roll without me having to do a lot of work.

 

 

This is a good illustration @bladehunter posted. He releases the putter head as the bend comes out of his right wrist through the ball. 

 

Takes about 15-20 minutes of practice on the putting green and you'll have it. 

 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Zitlow said:

… and my arm swings the putter back like I'm going to toss a ball

 

In other words… the butt of the club moves. It's not the pivot point.

[bladehunter]

Amazingly counter productive in the greater sense of the point of this section  of the site.   

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

Good feel i`ve had is basically, light in the hands and swing the arms whilst keeping the shoulders square (feel) i`m a follower of marcus potter (pottersputting on IG) and used a few of his drills and tips to help.

the pause drill to help transition seems to be working.

[RoyalTroon]

[Zitlow]

58 minutes ago, BALLYBUNION said:

 

Motorcycle move holding off the release stuff aside, something similar happens in the full swing except on a different plane, the clubhead "passes freely forward as the ball is hit". 

[getitdaily]

Anyone else feel like ballybunion and zitlow are Mr and Mrs havercamp?

[jobin]

IMO, many avenues to better putting. One fundamental notion must be 'consistency'; every time the same.  The same thought, the same action.  If not, then variation will bring misses you won't accept as your fault. 

 

I've improved lately:

.big flat putter and straight back while standing v upright

..eyes never waver from ball (justin rose)

...putt to a mark forward (jack nicklaus)

....always seek to hit the thumbtack on the back of the ball (willie park, jr)

.....toes turned in to lock hips

......use 'pop' stroke for longer distance putts (padraig harrington)

.......left hand forever flat and in-line with shaft (lee trevino)

........tension free delivery.

 

All of which take continual effort in order to make it so 'everytime the same'.