The perfect swing on the PGA tour?

[swings89]

Whose swing is the perfect model for copying the best position?

I have a question for you guys, especially the professional instructors. :( Whose swing is the most technically 'perfect swing' to imitate?

Tiger Woods?
Adam Scott?
Trevor Immelman?
Anthony Kim?





:)

[iteachgolf]

Tiger, Immelman, Byrd, and Howell is pretty close to getting it right

[swings89]

Howell seems like he has too much "lifting" motion that the 'modern swing seems to be shift away from in my humble opinion. (a la Butch Harmon-Tiger, DL3, etc) It seems like the 'modern swing' that even the top instructors are moving towards the flatter, rotary swing. (Anthony Kim, Immelman, Byrd, as you stated above) What do you think?

[Bay1524]

I say Tiger, Adam Scott, Ernie, or Luke Donald are great to watch and learn positions from.

[iteachgolf]

The last footage I looked at of Howell's his left arm was pretty much on his shoulder plane, his hands are definately a lot lower then say a David Toms, who as a great downswing I just think his outside takeaway isn't necessary

 

 

not much lifting there

[slicefixer]

The last footage I looked at of Howell's his left arm was pretty much on his shoulder plane, his hands are definately a lot lower then say a David Toms, who as a great downswing I just think his outside takeaway isn't necessary

 

 

not much lifting there

 

 

......your right and it isn't.......:)

 

Depends totally on what YOUR trying to accomplish within' YOUR golf swing...... :(

[iteachgolf]

The last footage I looked at of Howell's his left arm was pretty much on his shoulder plane, his hands are definately a lot lower then say a David Toms, who as a great downswing I just think his outside takeaway isn't necessary

 

 

not much lifting there

 

 

......your right and it isn't.......:)

 

Depends totally on what YOUR trying to accomplish within' YOUR golf swing...... :(

 

Right now I'm trying to accomplish playing more than once every 2 months. The golf industry has a way of not allowing that to happen.

[psygolf]

How about Appleby's for sheer efficiency? **Find a pro who has a similar build as you & whose swing you want to emulate.

[slicefixer]

The last footage I looked at of Howell's his left arm was pretty much on his shoulder plane, his hands are definately a lot lower then say a David Toms, who as a great downswing I just think his outside takeaway isn't necessary

 

 

not much lifting there

 

 

......your right and it isn't.......:)

 

Depends totally on what YOUR trying to accomplish within' YOUR golf swing...... :(

 

Right now I'm trying to accomplish playing more than once every 2 months. The golf industry has a way of not allowing that to happen.

 

hehehe.......you can say that again.........although, I could play more, but, just haven't felt up to it for a bit now......maybe in 08'.....:cheesy: And Appleby's is a very good golf swing.......simple and efficient......actually all of the one's listed up to now are good un's.......:cheesy:

[hannul]

Hi,

what about the idea that you record your own swing, analyse it and then compare it to Tour players and try to find a one that looks as much as possible the same as yours. Would that Tour player be a model to follow? (I mean would this be a way to find your own swing?) If your swing is somewhat close to a tour player...

 

Hannu

[Lake]

The one that tees off first on the next tee :)

[slicefixer]

Hi,

what about the idea that you record your own swing, analyse it and then compare it to Tour players and try to find a one that looks as much as possible the same as yours. Would that Tour player be a model to follow? (I mean would this be a way to find your own swing?) If your swing is somewhat close to a tour player...

 

Hannu

 

 

Well, it's not nearly as bad an idea as picking some player that's nothing like yourself and trying to COPY em'.......In 24 years of teaching and 44 years of playing (40 that I can still recall.....:)) I've NEVER seen a person become a PLAYER by trying to COPY anyone.........but LEARNING from a good player of similar build/style is a great way to improve one's golf swing IMOP.......:(

[Lake]

IMOP, instead of copying a player's swing it is 1,000 x better to understand the correct alignments that must happen during a correct stroke. Most of the time this will require help from an outside source(educated eye). For example, if you never went to school could you learn on your own to read and write....sure...but odds are that you would be picking-up trash on Friday's. We are all very fortunate to have a true swing guru on this board(Slice) but nothing will replace hands on experience with an instructor when dealing with your own pattern & feels.

[Diesel]

i like Luke Donals's swing, and i even think Woody has a very solid swing... if i could swing and make it look as effortless as either of those guys, i'd be happy...

 

i don't try and emulate anyone's swing though... you're just asking for flaws all around the board by trying to copy someone else...

[iyan7]

What do you guys think about Badds swing pre-S&T?

[Diesel]

one instructor i had seen for a little while had used his swing as a model to show me positions... i only seen the guy cause he used video whereas my normal pro didn't use video at all...

 

i liked the way Badds swing looked, i still think his swing looks solid, compact and looks super efficient...

[Shaitan]

^^ lol, i just wish i could find a half-decent instructor, I've left mine, made leaps and bounds, but would still love to have someone there to help me.

 

Perfect swing on tour - I can't even remember this guys name, Peter something who looked like a young pro when he was up here for our PGA Championship. Had one of the nicest swings I've ever seen. On the US Tour, probably Adam and Tiger are my favourites to watch.

[swings89]

Howell's top looks really good. I didn't realize how much less lifting and tighter his swing has gotten over the last few years. But it's not surprisingly as I just saw a footage of MW's changes that looks similar. Thanks for the great picture.

 

 

 

 

While I agree that trying to imitate one's swing completely can bring in faults to your swing, I think that a typical amateur can learn a lot by doing so. I can attest to that.

 

 

 

I feel that while Adam Scott's swing looks great, the lifting motion(although it seems that he's working to make his swing tighter) makes him a tough swing model to imitate. Rather, it looks like the "modern" swing models like Trevor Immelman and Anthony Kim are much simpler and efficient motions that amateurs can imitate. (Kim averaging 304 yards off the tee, with a 5'10" 160 lbs stature) What do the experts think?

[SHERO]

Paul Casey

Jonathan Byrd

A. Kim

Not sure if he is pro but,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8UtK7zVfeg...feature=related

Purest putter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4BWNClTDB0

[hannul]

Well, it's not nearly as bad an idea as picking some player that's nothing like yourself and trying to COPY em'.......)

 

Just for sake of discussion let's say I'd try to find a swing that matches my swing. What should I check? (Would this be a similar thing than what makes a good swing. People are writing that that and that has a nice swing - why is it nice? Looks like players use a simple "modern swing")

 

So to what should I compare my swing to?

 

(Yep understanding would be good and executing even better:-)

 

Hannu

[mizuno67]

Andrew Buckle he doesn't try to put the club in the correct positions like the others he swings it into great positions so his tempo looks great

[ktbfsu]

how about matt jones? -- played his way into contention at the honda this week. johnny miller was going on and on about his swing - and it's easy to see why.

[won0216]

Stuart Appley !! He has the nicest and simplest, and powerfull swing on the tour...

[tateoaks]

MATT JONES

[stryper]

My brief take: don't try to copy swings or positions; that will just tie you up and make you too mechanical. (And soon you'll be doing the Sir Charles hitch.) Instead, when you watch the pros, watch their rhythm and tempo...in that you will find your best swing.

[scores]

I will say this when you read certain descriptions of golf swings and you just look at them on U Tube over and over I really think you don't have to copy them but the mental image is extremely helpful when practicing certain elements of the swing.

 

I know this has help me out beyound my own expectations.

[bam15]

John Daly :)

[hannul]

My brief take: don't try to copy swings or positions; that will just tie you up and make you too mechanical. (And soon you'll be doing the Sir Charles hitch.) Instead, when you watch the pros, watch their rhythm and tempo...in that you will find your best swing.

 

On one of threads Slicefixer suggested Mike Hebron's book for reading. I found a website

http://www.mikehebron.com/library/articles/ "Historically, advice givers have given golfers “how to” directions, suggested copying expert models, or drills to improve golf skills. Current studies have found that these suggestions are not as useful for long-term learning as we once thought them to be. But interacting freely with golf’s environment, using self directed approaches and awareness skills, could guide golfers in direction of long-term learning."

 

Ok!

I do agree with this. Learning is not copying. It's being curious of what happens when I try this and that.

 

Looking and analysing other players swings is more like a mental exercise?

 

Hannu

[slicefixer]

My brief take: don't try to copy swings or positions; that will just tie you up and make you too mechanical. (And soon you'll be doing the Sir Charles hitch.) Instead, when you watch the pros, watch their rhythm and tempo...in that you will find your best swing.

 

On one of threads Slicefixer suggested Mike Hebron's book for reading. I found a website

http://www.mikehebron.com/library/articles/ "Historically, advice givers have given golfers “how to” directions, suggested copying expert models, or drills to improve golf skills. Current studies have found that these suggestions are not as useful for long-term learning as we once thought them to be. But interacting freely with golf’s environment, using self directed approaches and awareness skills, could guide golfers in direction of long-term learning."

 

Ok!

I do agree with this. Learning is not copying. It's being curious of what happens when I try this and that.

 

Looking and analysing other players swings is more like a mental exercise?

 

Hannu

 

 

Hannul, MOST of whatever it is that I know I LEARNED from studying great ballstrikers golf swings....TRYING to figure out "common denominators"......and then studying a LOT of other good players golf swings that were NOT great ballstrikers........spotting the differences........:)

[stealthontour]

Ernie Els or Luke Donald, Ernie has the most amazing rythym, possibly the smoothest swing I've ever seen. Luke's is very balanced and the strike is solid. You couldn't go wrong with trying to copy either of these swings. I often video my swing and put it next to Ernies to get the same rythym going, it helps me focus on the strike more.