Putters with 0 to 1/2 Shaft Offset

[Yzmerf]

10 hours ago, Mullet said:

@DSK1hcp@5hort5tuff@Yzmerf

nice putters y’all, but I’m pretty sure mine takes the cake for hardest and least forgiving with 0 offset.

Ive got a mint Bullseye circa 90ish when i really want to work. Back when they had aluminum shafts. Its full of sand though so who knows how heavy it is. LOL

[slantsflood]

Great question and I fall in the same camp.  I putt with an open stance and have always preferred heel shafted blades.  I built a byron morgan bombora blade with zero offset 10 years ago and it was the finest putter I've ever used.  It just matched me and how I wanted to putt.  Someone busted out my truck window and she was gone.  Byron passed away and that was the end of that story.  

 

Now, I look for any mallet that is heel shafted with no offset.  The mallets are much more consistent to me as most of them "swing themselves back" with as heavy as they have become.  If I stay out of its way, it works pretty well.  

 

But this is a great topic and thank you op for starting it.  What fits our eye may not fit another, but such is golf.  Up is down, and down is up, so go figure.  

[Mullet]

I’m convinced the plumbers neck is the most forgiving hossel after all the trials…

[MattM97]

5 minutes ago, Mullet said:

I’m convinced the plumbers neck is the most forgiving hossel after all the trials…

 

Necks aren't forgiving plus you can have a flow neck with the same full shaft offset as a plumbers neck. 

[Mullet]

So I decided to pick this thing up for a steal.   No markings, but can it beat the black mist Newport???  I doubt it.

[Mullet]

Just now, MattM97 said:

 

Necks aren't forgiving plus you can have a flow neck with the same full shaft offset as a plumbers neck. 

True but I think the true plumbers neck sharp angles do something for vibration but it might just be me.

[MattM97]

Just now, Mullet said:

True but I think the true plumbers neck sharp angles do something for vibration but it might just be me.

 

That's not a thing either that's the head design, shaft and grip. 

 

Just say you prefer a plumbers neck, it's ok to. 

[slantsflood]

I'm near sighted and far sighted with astigmatism.  What putter fits that category? 🤣

[MattM97]

2 minutes ago, slantsflood said:

I'm near sighted and far sighted with astigmatism.  What putter fits that category? 🤣

 

A set of glasses from your optometrist 

[slantsflood]

26 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

A set of glasses from your optometrist 

Already had Lasix 👍

[MattM97]

1 minute ago, slantsflood said:

Already had Lasix 👍

 

If you really are that bad with your eyes I'd maybe look at a red putter (no joke) it will stand out more on the green. 

 

Alignment maybe have to align everything before hand and just work to hit that line on the ball. 

[Mullet]

@MattM97 wow geez can you give us some evidence on all this?

[Mullet]

Necks aren’t forgiving?

[MattM97]

16 minutes ago, Mullet said:

@MattM97 wow geez can you give us some evidence on all this?

 

Necks and offset are mainly for aiming and timing. 

 

The aim part is comes with the looks part and offset, many necks can achieve the same thing but some people a flow neck will look better than a plumbers neck or vice versa even if specs are all the same.

 

The timing part comes from the neck aiding in the shaft axis with the COG. This is what gives toe hang and also torque, some people work better with more torque, some less, some none. If you find a neck that you time up well this will lead to more square strikes at impact leading to better putts. This could be seen as forgiveness but it's the same as using a shaft that's right and wrong for you.

 

Putter and well clubs forgiveness comes from MOI which is weight away from the COG, a neck technically does contribute to MOI cause it's mass but plumbers necks are the heaviest and a proper putter design would have an equal amount of weight toe side to keep the COG in the center, if you don't the COG can move towards the heel which can make a putter less forgiving cause it will twist even more on strikes away from the COG. 

[Mullet]

So you’re saying you can’t feel any difference with identical heads and different necks?  I find that hard to believe.  I’m no scientist or engineer but I’m a golfer, and when you bend a 90 degree angle In metal there’s got to be something there or else everyone would just use full offset flow necks 

[MattM97]

3 minutes ago, Mullet said:

So you’re saying you can’t feel any difference with identical heads and different necks?  I find that hard to believe.  I’m no scientist or engineer but I’m a golfer, and when you bend a 90 degree angle In metal there’s got to be something there or else everyone would just use full offset flow necks 

 

Unless I'm hitting different spots of the face no there should not be a difference. Plumber necks are also not bent into shape they're milled from a solid block of metal or they're cast.

 

Some flow necks are bent to achieve offset and toe hang but lots are milled from a solid block of metal as well. 

 

The reason plumber necks are so popular is because that's what the first Anser head was made with, it also allows more shaft options vs flow necks. It's also less work for companies as it's easier to mill a plumbers neck vs a 1 piece flow neck. 

 

I'm not saying flow necks are better I'm just saying your claims of a neck being more forgiving is wrong. It may be better suited for you but it's not more forgiving. 

[5hort5tuff]

2 hours ago, Mullet said:

Necks aren’t forgiving?

 

No they aren't. That makes no sense man. 

 

The putter heads are forgiving.... Weight...shape...positioning of weights etc etc. The neck itself is for offset and toe hang in whatever combo you please to deliver the best stroke. 

[Mullet]

Wow so pretty much your not a scientist or an engineer either just admit it

[Mullet]

So you’re saying they make a 90 degree turn for what reason?  For looks?

[MattM97]

13 minutes ago, Mullet said:

Wow so pretty much your not a scientist or an engineer either just admit it

 

If you want to talk semantics I technically am but that's besides the point because you're clearly not. 

 

8 minutes ago, Mullet said:

So you’re saying they make a 90 degree turn for what reason?  For looks?

 

It doesn't make a 90° turn the shaft is in a hosel cup that's set in an offset position. 

 

That offset is to keep the hands in front of the club face at impact. The reason that some people use less offset is because they naturally have their hands forward of the club face and excessive offset can hinder aim and launch. 

 

Would you like me to continue or is this becoming too complicated to understand? This is basically info from Ping way back to everything now. Putters are not as complicated as people make them out to be. 

[Mullet]

So your saying that a full shaft offset flow neck just looks bad and is harder to make?

[Mullet]

Send over all your evidence please 

[MattM97]

7 minutes ago, Mullet said:

So your saying that a full shaft offset flow neck just looks bad and is harder to make?

 

To some it does, to someone like me I don't like the look of plumber necks. I'd much prefer a full offset flow neck over a plumbers neck but I prefer less offset cause I deliver my hands forward at impact. 

 

A 1 piece flow neck not many companies make as the neck is very time consuming to make and the necessary CNCs are needed ex. A 5-Axis. 

[Mullet]

So basically you have no evidence

[putt_for_dough]

4 hours ago, Mullet said:

So basically you have no evidence

you're digging a deeper hole with every response here, man...you previously stated your opinion that plumber's necks are the most forgiving. There's no problem with your own opinion/experience, but as others have added objective reasons why your opinion may not hold up as well as you thought, you're just mocking their responses without even trying to understand what they're saying...and you haven't added anything of substance in your rebuttals. I'm not sure what you're getting at here...

[Mullet]

A deeper hole, lolololol, I’m just saying if you wack a plumbers neck vs a non plumbers neck against a tree which one will bend first?  

[EaglesGolf99]

@Mullet you are single handily ruining a good thread, here. Please stop. 

Edited February 29 by EaglesGolf99

[GBGolfingtons]

Can anyone think of a half offset, D shape mallet with toe hang?

[MattM97]

25 minutes ago, GBGolfingtons said:

Can anyone think of a half offset, D shape mallet with toe hang?

 

Golo 6.5 is 3/4 

 

TM Spider GT Rollback may be close. 

Edited March 8 by MattM97

[trying2scratch]

3 hours ago, GBGolfingtons said:

Can anyone think of a half offset, D shape mallet with toe hang?

Toulon Palm beach (3/4)

Cleveland Huntington Beach collection 2

Cleveland HB soft 5

Wilson Staff Model MT22 (3/4)

TaylorMade TP reserve M33

Edited March 9 by trying2scratch